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  Why did Jesus have to die?

  by Crazyguy in

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  let's think about this for a bit.

  adam was tempted and sinned by eating of the fruit.

  he missed out on immortality by being denied the tree of life.

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  little_Socrates

  CalebinFlorida... thank you for the well thought out response. I learn a lot from your posts.

  Yes those passages have a different meaning for Jewish people. However, are you certain that the understanding that the Hebrews had was a complete understanding? Maybe the passage was meant to have one meaning for the people of the day... but then a much greater understanding at a later date?

  If you believe in divine inspiration, is it crazy to think that a passage of scripture was meant to have a different meaning for different people?
  
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  Why did Jesus have to die?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let's think about this for a bit.

  adam was tempted and sinned by eating of the fruit.

  he missed out on immortality by being denied the tree of life.

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  little_Socrates

  Bonsai have you ever read C.S.Lewis? He has some great thoughts on this in his space trilogy. His claim is that God sending Jesus was a much greater plan than just eliminating sin. It is only because of our sinfulness that we can truly know Gods mercy. Our curse of original sin became a blessing, through the redemptive work of Jesus.
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  Why did Jesus have to die?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let's think about this for a bit.

  adam was tempted and sinned by eating of the fruit.

  he missed out on immortality by being denied the tree of life.

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  little_Socrates

  CalebinFloroda...

  You say there is no mention or prophesy of a personal savior in Hebrew texts? How would you interpret these passages?
  

  Isaiah 53

  Psalms 22
  
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  Why did Jesus have to die?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let's think about this for a bit.

  adam was tempted and sinned by eating of the fruit.

  he missed out on immortality by being denied the tree of life.

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  little_Socrates

  Christ had to die so that God could be like us in all things. It was the ultimate form of empathy from a loving God. Instead of relieving all our suffering... He joined himself to that suffering.
  
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  Well written, scathing article that summarises first 3 days of RC hearing.

  by Pants of Righteousness in

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  2. child-abuse

  there's been quite a number newspaper articles quoted over the past week, but i would recommend this as a good summary of the first three days of the royal commission hearing in australia - complete with some scathing commentary.. apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but have not seen this posted previously.. https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/law-crime/2015/08/01/royal-commission-examines-jehovah-witnesses-cover/14383512002194.

  just one thing that is not quite right is that the article refers to joe bello as a narrogin elder.

  the assualts took place while the victim was part of the narrogin congregation.

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  I was impressed with how well the author understood JW teaching and yet was still very respectful considering how horrible the allegations are. He just presented the facts and allows the reader to draw their own conclusions.
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  Was this the garden of Eden/Noah's flood?

  by little_Socrates in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm.

  jeffrey rose, an archaeologist and researcher with the university of birmingham in the u.k., says that the area in and around this "persian gulf oasis" may have been host to humans for over 100,000 years before it was swallowed up by the indian ocean around 8,000 years ago.

  rose's hypothesis introduces a "new and substantial cast of characters" to the human history of the near east, and suggests that humans may have established permanent settlements in the region thousands of years before current migration models suppose.. .

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  little_Socrates

  CalebinFlorida I hear your point and I agree. For me this is simply an exercise in intellectual curiosity. I am fascinated by it and will continue to educate myself.
  
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  Was this the garden of Eden/Noah's flood?

  by little_Socrates in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm.

  jeffrey rose, an archaeologist and researcher with the university of birmingham in the u.k., says that the area in and around this "persian gulf oasis" may have been host to humans for over 100,000 years before it was swallowed up by the indian ocean around 8,000 years ago.

  rose's hypothesis introduces a "new and substantial cast of characters" to the human history of the near east, and suggests that humans may have established permanent settlements in the region thousands of years before current migration models suppose.. .

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  Thank you for your reply CalebinFloroda....

  I am not claiming the bible is to be taken completely literally. However what I am claiming... is the biblical stories are not made up fiction. They are true stories told through the cultural experiences of the people and handed down. Yea many details may have been added latter... but the myths started as truth.

  With so many people the bible is either all or nothing. Either every word is literally correct written by God... or the whole thing is fiction. I think the real story is somewhere in between.
  
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  Was this the garden of Eden/Noah's flood?

  by little_Socrates in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm.

  jeffrey rose, an archaeologist and researcher with the university of birmingham in the u.k., says that the area in and around this "persian gulf oasis" may have been host to humans for over 100,000 years before it was swallowed up by the indian ocean around 8,000 years ago.

  rose's hypothesis introduces a "new and substantial cast of characters" to the human history of the near east, and suggests that humans may have established permanent settlements in the region thousands of years before current migration models suppose.. .

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  little_Socrates

  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm

  Jeffrey Rose, an archaeologist and researcher with the University of Birmingham in the U.K., says that the area in and around this "Persian Gulf Oasis" may have been host to humans for over 100,000 years before it was swallowed up by the Indian Ocean around 8,000 years ago. Rose's hypothesis introduces a "new and substantial cast of characters" to the human history of the Near East, and suggests that humans may have established permanent settlements in the region thousands of years before current migration models suppose.

  I just wanted to share my most recent line of study with you guys. Virtually ever Mesopotamian civilization has has a flood story. Even Greece has a myth of a great civilization being lost to flood. The timing of this corresponds nicely with the biblical account. Yes it is a couple thousand years earlier than JWs want to say with their 6,000 years of earth history but the timing is still pretty good.

  I personally believe that if you study up on this theory about the Persian gulf... the accounts in Genesis make a lot more sense. This doesn't prove inspiration or prove the existence of God. But it does suggest the bible may be a lot more historically accurate than many want to admit.
  
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  Wish You Knew? Ask a Jew!

  by CalebInFloroda in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  because on another thread questions about just what the hell jews believe kept taking us off topic, i decided to start this new one.

  that's why, as you will notice, it has that new thread smell.

  i will do my best to give thorough and concise answers, but be warned: i do not take myself very seriously.

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  little_Socrates

  CHRISTIANS...What you believe is what matters.

  JEWS...What good you bring into the world is what matters.

  CHRISTIANS...Your personal salvation is a priority.

  JEWS...Bringing healing to where it is needed is the priority.

  CHRISITANS...If you believe in the wrong doctrines it can cost you eternal life.

  JEWS...Beliefs hold no power to give you something you don't possess or have the power to achieve on your own.

  CHRISTIANS...You are more enlightened with your convictions than that of others and must convince or even bring down those who disagree with your views.

  JEWS...You are enlightened by all you meet for all are created in G-d's image (so to speak), and you must protect and fight for the right of freedom of conscience for all.

  Being Catholic and looking at this.... I got to say I identify much heavier with the Jewish position here. It is really remarkable how closely tied our great faiths are.
  
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  little_Socrates

  How are you a dick if you accept the same fate as you subject others to? It isn't like God says "You suffer while I just sit on my throne".

  God got off his throne and suffered with us.