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  The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough

  by cofty in

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  researchers working with a telescope at the south pole beleive they have glimpsed light from the first "trillionth of a trillionth of a tillionth" of a second after the big bang.. a lot of work has still to be done to confirm the findings, but if it holds up it is one of the biggest discoveries ever.. _________________________________________.

  ...inflation came with a very specific prediction - that it would be associated with waves of gravitational energy, and that these ripples in the fabric of space would leave an indelible mark on the oldest light in the sky - the famous cosmic microwave background.. the bicep2 team says it has now identified that signal.

  scientists call it b-mode polarisation.

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  Viviane

  Viviane,...A collective of Ferraris revving their heads off, will only be as good as the one engine which lasts longest.

  You would have to physically join the engines or modify to increase better performance.

  That doesn't make sense. Why would it only be as good as the one that last the longest? What work are they trying to do? How are they a collective?

  A collective of computers working together can sustain the failure of many components. There is built in redundancy, spare, extra capacity, etc.

  Not possible with the human brain.That capacity remains within one brain.The only difference being influence to change opinion.

  Of course it is. That's why, when solving a problem, you break it up into chunks and put different people or teams of people on it to solve different portions of the problem and then, when each component is solved, you assemble the answers together. Happens literally all the time.

  The physical make up of the brain puts the same constraints on all, otherwise we are talking supernatural which is a whole different ball game.

  Nope, not at all. People have different skills and expertise and you apply as I said above.

  The spark of creation for example we can only ever investigate within the constraints of our capacity, otherwise you would have to argue our brains have limitless capacity.

  Of course. It is logically impossible to understand something we don't have the capacity to understand.
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  The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough

  by cofty in

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  researchers working with a telescope at the south pole beleive they have glimpsed light from the first "trillionth of a trillionth of a tillionth" of a second after the big bang.. a lot of work has still to be done to confirm the findings, but if it holds up it is one of the biggest discoveries ever.. _________________________________________.

  ...inflation came with a very specific prediction - that it would be associated with waves of gravitational energy, and that these ripples in the fabric of space would leave an indelible mark on the oldest light in the sky - the famous cosmic microwave background.. the bicep2 team says it has now identified that signal.

  scientists call it b-mode polarisation.

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  Viviane

  when I used the word Universe it refers to ALL that exists in space as it emerged at the beginning and is moving through time since.

  No no no. All that exists is moving through and with spacetime. Space and time are the same thing.

  locally we live in the universe, this discovery, as a new article in 'the new scientist' points out, is a step toward better researching the existence of a larger ORDER or Cosmos.

  Again, no, you don't get to re-define words all by yourself. The Cosmos IS the universe. There MAY be a larger order and when that is discovered we may need to re-define the words, but you don't get to use wrong definitions and non-existent knowledge to do that.
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  The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  researchers working with a telescope at the south pole beleive they have glimpsed light from the first "trillionth of a trillionth of a tillionth" of a second after the big bang.. a lot of work has still to be done to confirm the findings, but if it holds up it is one of the biggest discoveries ever.. _________________________________________.

  ...inflation came with a very specific prediction - that it would be associated with waves of gravitational energy, and that these ripples in the fabric of space would leave an indelible mark on the oldest light in the sky - the famous cosmic microwave background.. the bicep2 team says it has now identified that signal.

  scientists call it b-mode polarisation.

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  Viviane

  you well defined the limits of your understanding. there is more out there then you are aware of.

  Sorry, you don't get to call people limited when you are trying to re-define words to mean what you mistakenly wrote. Of course there is more out that. That's what I've been saying, that there is something we have no idea about. YOU were ther one trying to say we knew or had some idea, attempting to claim more knowledge than there is.

  In the future, don't attempt to blame me for what you are doing.

  Comments on this discovery, as in 'New scientist' artcles clearly shows that researchers are looking beyond the beginning of THIS UNIVERSE (the ALL) into the pre-big-bang COSMIC time as a scource or link of the gravitity waves, that show what happened before light could emerge from this cauldron.

  They clearly do NOT show that at ALL. They are coming up with hypotheses based on the new discovery. Let's look at a quote from New Scientist.

  "Wave hello to the multiverse? Ripples in the very fabric of the cosmos, unveiled this week, are allowing us to peer further back in time than anyone thought possible, showing us what was happening in the first slivers of a second after the big bang.

  The discovery of these primordial waves could solidify the idea that our young universe went through a rapid growth spurt called inflation. And that theory is linked to the idea that the universe is constantly giving birth to smaller "pocket" universes within an ever-expanding multiverse."

  Bolding is mine. Nowhere does it say they are looking beyond the beginning of THIS universe. You are clearly and plainly flat out wrong.

  not that I am a fan of the multiverse or Sir Roger Penrose's ideas, but to think there was nothing, no time, no energy before our arrangement (Universe, ALL) came along, is far fetched.

  That DOES seem counter-intuitive, which is why scientists are working very hard to learn things they don't know, but you are claiming that knowledge is there that isn't and re-defining words, which you do not get to do.
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  The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough

  by cofty in

  1. social
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  researchers working with a telescope at the south pole beleive they have glimpsed light from the first "trillionth of a trillionth of a tillionth" of a second after the big bang.. a lot of work has still to be done to confirm the findings, but if it holds up it is one of the biggest discoveries ever.. _________________________________________.

  ...inflation came with a very specific prediction - that it would be associated with waves of gravitational energy, and that these ripples in the fabric of space would leave an indelible mark on the oldest light in the sky - the famous cosmic microwave background.. the bicep2 team says it has now identified that signal.

  scientists call it b-mode polarisation.

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  Viviane;-- in some european languages, the Universe is called the "ALL" like in 'World-ALL'

  Good for them, we aren't speaking in some european languages, so it's utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

  In much modern thought, our Universe /ALL is only a small part of the total. at least since 13.8 billion years ago. have 'a go' at it.

  Absolutely and utterly wrong. If that were true, you wouldn't have had to claim (with no evidence, BTW) that what you are saying is true in some other language.

  The universe is the cosmos. Within our space time, the cosmos is that is or was or ever will be. Period. Full stop.

  There is an interesting parallel at the solar "surface": -- in one layer, the temperature is increasing with increasing heights. It is thought that magnetic or other waves account for this greater energy concentration.

  Completely irrelevant to you trying to claim that the universe is only a small part of the universe and that we know what is outside our spacetime.

  The detected gravity/ waves, vortices near the marble, could likewise originating in an earlier sequence, in times that predate the big bang, as opined some time ago, earlier, by Roger Penrose, the expert.

  No, absolutely NOT. They did NOT discover gravity waves near the early marble of spacetime. Define what "time" you mean before spacetime existed. Without doing that, you are saying time happened before time happened. You clearly don't even understand what the discovery was, much less what it means, and certainly not what Roger Penrose meant.
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  The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  researchers working with a telescope at the south pole beleive they have glimpsed light from the first "trillionth of a trillionth of a tillionth" of a second after the big bang.. a lot of work has still to be done to confirm the findings, but if it holds up it is one of the biggest discoveries ever.. _________________________________________.

  ...inflation came with a very specific prediction - that it would be associated with waves of gravitational energy, and that these ripples in the fabric of space would leave an indelible mark on the oldest light in the sky - the famous cosmic microwave background.. the bicep2 team says it has now identified that signal.

  scientists call it b-mode polarisation.

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  Viviane

  We do not exactly know what lies beyond the universe, in the rest of the cosmos, but the closer we get to the curtain, the better we can sense what is behind it. this discovery takes us a step closer.

  No no no!

  What lies in our universe IS the cosmos. What lies beyond, if anything, is completely unknown, not something that we "do not exactly know".

  The human brain will always strive for answers its how we are wired, but that wiring in conjunction with the physicality of its make up must have limitations, as can be seen from some responses on this forum.

  You are conflating two ideas, the capacity of a single human and the collective capacity of humanity.
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  Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

  by QC in

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  if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.

  this is a game changer.

  the bomb!.

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  Viviane

  Eyes can’t see what the mind doesn’t know, and ears can’t hear what the mind doesn’t know.

  Bottom line? Many are not ready, YET , to see or hear (understand) how it is that Evolution is flat out wrong.

  Meaningless platitudes and bad logic.

  (Yes, DeGrasse, Dawkins, Hawking, Darwin, Maher, Jon Stewart and cofty, etc., are all wrong! Evolution is not a SCIENTIFIC fact; Monkeys, Apes, Trilobites, single cells, etc... don’t morph into humans, EVER. )

  You are correct, they don't. That's not how evolution works. Education....you need some of it.
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  the bible and its prophecies

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been doing a lot of research on the bible and its roots so to speak and its becoming clearer that the jews like other races took gods and stories from others and made them their own.

  its also become clear that many of the books were written later then stated, like daniel probably written about a hundred years before christ and some of it maybe even after.

  but what i don't get is the prophecies.

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  Every single nation that Ezekiel mentions is now an enemy of Israel, but they weren't in the days of the Greeks and Romans.

  Wrong. Persia isn't a nation at all and Ethiopia is not, in fact, they have a population that claim to be the true Israelites.
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  the bible and its prophecies

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been doing a lot of research on the bible and its roots so to speak and its becoming clearer that the jews like other races took gods and stories from others and made them their own.

  its also become clear that many of the books were written later then stated, like daniel probably written about a hundred years before christ and some of it maybe even after.

  but what i don't get is the prophecies.

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  Viviane

  Well, you can stop, but believers see the fulfillments in the writings of Moses, Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Malachi, Jesus Christ, Peter, Paul and John and many others.

  Believers wear tin foil and buy 10,000 rounds of ammunition, too. Belief doesn't = true.

  There is not one example of a specific an unknowable prophecy coming true.

  And how have they been "debunked" because this is the first I've heard of it? I'm sure this information would be of special interest to biblical scholars from all religions.

  A variety of ways. If you are interested, google it.

  I'd love to hear how biblical prophecies have all been debunked, and the reasoning behind that bold statement.

  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Failed_biblical_prophecies
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  The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  researchers working with a telescope at the south pole beleive they have glimpsed light from the first "trillionth of a trillionth of a tillionth" of a second after the big bang.. a lot of work has still to be done to confirm the findings, but if it holds up it is one of the biggest discoveries ever.. _________________________________________.

  ...inflation came with a very specific prediction - that it would be associated with waves of gravitational energy, and that these ripples in the fabric of space would leave an indelible mark on the oldest light in the sky - the famous cosmic microwave background.. the bicep2 team says it has now identified that signal.

  scientists call it b-mode polarisation.

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  Viviane

  Like I said, we don't don't know what, if anything, is outside of our spacetime.
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  The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  researchers working with a telescope at the south pole beleive they have glimpsed light from the first "trillionth of a trillionth of a tillionth" of a second after the big bang.. a lot of work has still to be done to confirm the findings, but if it holds up it is one of the biggest discoveries ever.. _________________________________________.

  ...inflation came with a very specific prediction - that it would be associated with waves of gravitational energy, and that these ripples in the fabric of space would leave an indelible mark on the oldest light in the sky - the famous cosmic microwave background.. the bicep2 team says it has now identified that signal.

  scientists call it b-mode polarisation.

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  Viviane

  We don't know any properties of what is outside of our spacetime.