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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viviane

So, at the end of the day, your answer is "spirit = life force = breathing". It's just a metaphor for breathing. So when you write:

"If it's lungs are underdeveloped they can't handle spirit or force of life effectively assistance would therefore be required for the baby to benefit from the force of life spirit oxygen to allow it a chance of survival.", we can rephrase that as "If it's lungs are underdeveloped they can't handle breathing or force of breathing effectively assistance would therefore be required for the baby to benefit from breathing oxygen to allow it a chance of survival."
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viviane

Again, your whole definition is arbitrary. What if a child is born and dies before it can take it's first breath? What if it is born and tries to breath but has underdeveloped lungs? I think it's interesting that you think that unless a life takes one independent breath, it has no spirit. What about people that need ventilation assistance to breath? Do they no longer have a human spirit?

I think it is referring to the myth that there is a mystical force that provides life. It's a substitution of one undefined term for another.
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viviane

Of course the baby has developed because of all the things you mention but baby will have no further existence unless it takes a breath.That is key to its future life and development of its descriptive spirit as I have outlined previously.

Again, that's true of a lot of things, not just breathing. Still arbitrary. You're not telling what is so special and unique and one thing out of millions. You're simply describing the quickest route to death if the baby can't do it. Some babies are born before they ever get to take a breath. Did they have no spirit?

It was just to ask if you had an opinion on what can be called human spirit if you think there is such a thing and if so what you would describe it as?

Personally I think it's just a metaphor for how we act and our motivation. As in "the spirit of friendship" or "a spirited person".
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viviane

To what force does it owe its continuation of life?

To all the things I mentioned. Your choice is arbitrary. Regardless, your answer is "It's a metaphor".

I posed a question to you in a previous post have you any opinion?

I may have missed it, I don't see anything ending with a question mark in your previous post. What was the question?
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"Probably You Might be Saved" - Somewhere in Zephaniah As I Recall
by Perry in
1. watchtower
2. bible
the watchtower (and old-timers in the org) love to quote old testament passages that were directed toward israel.

however, the new testament is "a better covenant based upon better promises".. in the following verses, salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession for the original christians:.

justification is a present possession (rom.
Viviane
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"Probably You Might be Saved" - Somewhere in Zephaniah As I Recall
by Perry in
1. watchtower
2. bible
the watchtower (and old-timers in the org) love to quote old testament passages that were directed toward israel.

however, the new testament is "a better covenant based upon better promises".. in the following verses, salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession for the original christians:.

justification is a present possession (rom.
Viviane
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viviane

Sorry for the long response time, I was traveling all day yesterday.

All possible because we breathe and stay alive.

And this is where your defnition is arbitrary. We are alive because countless things are just the way they are. If plants didn't use photosynthesis, there would be no O2, so we really owe our existence to plants. But, then, if it were for hydrogen and gravity, there wouldn't be light to power the plants. If it were for the strong nuclear force and neutrons, neither O2 or hydrogen would exist.

It appears you are justck picking one thing out of the list of things necessary for humans (and all life) to exist, breathing. It is most certainly NOT only because oxygen exists that we do. It's one of many things.

I'm not getting why that one thing of many is the choice. It's arbitrary.
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viviane

Caliber, you'll get nowhere trying to make this about me, silly boy!

Can you explain what spirit is comprised of?
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viviane

So you are more like an irate customer who is justified because no one can get your order right ?

It isn't you ... it's all the stupid people that upsets you

Oh dear, don't be silly and make things up. No one said any of that. You're still trying to make this about me by trying to ascribe negative things to me. That's been tried and failed.

Can you tell me what spirit is comprised of?
609
What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Viviane

Ok, but are you "suggesting " that you have an inner sincere desire to change into believing in the existence of spirit should someone happen an acceptable definition ?

No.

Would you not agree that your negative response to many idea's presented would "suggest " that you do not wish for there to be an acceptable answer ?

Of course not. That would be like saying that if I order salad for dinner and get 20 things that weren't salad I somehow didn't want there to be a salad.