the old guys sided with hobby lobby today in denying birth control coverage to its female employees based on the owners religious views.
intact- is viagra for the guys.
funny how the far right evangelical owners of hobby lobby didn't want to touch that one.... read judge ginburg's scathing counter argument and opinion.. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf.
I read today that Hobby Lobby is self-insured. That is, it is there money going to directly pay for employee healthcare, rather than buying an insurance policy. That's why they can make their own decisions about not covering certain kinds of birth control and why its important to them.
That's not what self-insured means.
the old guys sided with hobby lobby today in denying birth control coverage to its female employees based on the owners religious views.
intact- is viagra for the guys.
funny how the far right evangelical owners of hobby lobby didn't want to touch that one.... read judge ginburg's scathing counter argument and opinion.. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf.
I am not supporting "faux" christians.
Yes, you are.
I don't believe in any religion.
So?
I just don't believe that society should become so crippled that everybody expects free stuff all the time, and the people required to provide it dont have the right to the exercise of their own conscience.
People are paying for their insurance there and paying a co-pay. Where is this "free" stuff you mention?
I am old fashioned, I think freedom is a two way street.
It is. Why do you support corporation getting involved in medical care? Do you think "whites only" signs on businesses are OK? Would you support a company that offered adoption assistance refusing to help a mixed race couple or a white couple that was adopting a Hispanic or Asian child? Would you support a company that refused to provide health insurance to gay people or refused to hire people over 45? At which point do you think freedoms have limits?
We have abdicated PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
None of that is relavant to the issue. People who are holding down a job and paying for their medical simply want to be able to make their own choices about that medical care. It's got nothing to do with "free" stuff. These are the people taking the personal responsibility you are complaining about. When they aren't responsible you complain. When they are responsible you complain. What would make you happy?
I know there is no solution to this stuff, but when you liberals run out of other people's money, you will realize that there is no free lunch.
Buy your own damn birth control. Pay for your own abortion. Put your hands in your own pocket, get it out of everyone elses pockets.
Again, the people involved already ARE paying for their insurance. The people you like, the one's taking personal responsibility. If they are ALREADY paying for it and it's no additional cost to Hobby Lobby, why don't you respect these people's freedom to choose what birth control they are actually paying for?
Or is it just birth control you have an issue with? Why aren't you complaining about Viagra and Cialis coverage? Why is it the complaint only comes up when it's women's issues?
my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
Well, you don't. As an exercise you prompted, I've counted 20+ posters who've explicitly welcomed me, including those who've expressed delight that I'm back. I'm not counting PMs and I've not checked all the threads.
So you're seeking adulation to confirm your own inflated opinion of yourself, your importance and achievements. That clears things up.
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Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and in other areas of their life, such as work or school.
the old guys sided with hobby lobby today in denying birth control coverage to its female employees based on the owners religious views.
intact- is viagra for the guys.
funny how the far right evangelical owners of hobby lobby didn't want to touch that one.... read judge ginburg's scathing counter argument and opinion.. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf.
Hobby Lobby is a "closely held corporation", with just 5 owners. It is not "public".
So?
Would most of you, if you owned a business really want to be told to provide a benefit to your employees that violated your conscience?
Yes.
I personally would like to make decisions on matters like that in my business. We are living in an "entitlement" society, and at the least sign that we can't force someone to give "free stuff" to us, and we might actually have to pay ourselves for something that our employer objects to, we go nuts and start wanting to intrude on other's rights.
That's got nothing to do with it. It's about equal treatment under the law, respecting others, rights to medical care and private access to a doctor. Would you be OK with a business that refused to offer benefits to only mixed-race couple, gay people or non-Christians?
The five owners of Hobby Lobby have rights too.
Indeed. Unfortunately, exercising control over access to medical care specfically for women because Jesus appears to be one of them, despite their extreme hypocrisy in doing business where child labor and slavery is normal and profiting from it. They aren't even sincere Christians, they are pick and choose faux Christians using Jesus and the law when it suits them and shrugging at child labor when it profits them. Absolutely disgusting.
I could care less if you want an abortion. Very likely you are only killing another future liberal. But pay for it yourself.
Fortunately, the government is invested in providing family planning care for women. And none of the drugs involved had anything to do with abortion. Interesting that you didn't understand that incredibly basic fact. But then, you are supporting disgusting faux Christians, so I guess not that surprising.
the old guys sided with hobby lobby today in denying birth control coverage to its female employees based on the owners religious views.
intact- is viagra for the guys.
funny how the far right evangelical owners of hobby lobby didn't want to touch that one.... read judge ginburg's scathing counter argument and opinion.. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf.
And, one final point:
Having the government tell a private employer what it can and can't do is ridiculous.
Do you think these are OK? If not, why not?
the old guys sided with hobby lobby today in denying birth control coverage to its female employees based on the owners religious views.
intact- is viagra for the guys.
funny how the far right evangelical owners of hobby lobby didn't want to touch that one.... read judge ginburg's scathing counter argument and opinion.. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf.
Imagine that a woman starts work at Hobby Lobby tomorrow morning — July 1. She joins Hobby Lobby’s health care plan. It includes access, copay-free, to the following categories of FDA-approved birth-control:
In fact, there are at least 50 companies that want to opt of out providing any form of family planning AND the Supreme Court has said their ruling applies broadly to all forms covered under the ACA.
Further, not only would she have access to these medicines and devices, but Hobby Lobby would fund them. That’s right: while White House press secretary Josh Earnest claims that it “jeopardizes the health of women,” Hobby Lobby’s health plan pays for 16 different kinds of contraceptives for its female employees!
And he is 100% correct.
In the Left’s fantasy world, the militant Christians at Hobby Lobby police single female employees to assure that they have not engaged in sinful, pre-marital sex. As for married women, Hobby Lobby deprives them of birth control so that each can deliver a new baby every nine months, for God’s glory, just like in the Old Testament.
Liberals are living in a cartoon of their own making.
Again, Hobby Lobby’s health plan pays for birth-control pills, vaginal rings, contraceptive patches, and other items to help female employees plan their pregnancies. The Left’s arguments to the contrary are — surprise, surprise — lies.
Except you just said the issue is women's health. Obviously your made up scenario is the cartoon fantasy world.
Rather than simply prevent sperm and ova from uniting, Hobby Lobby’s owners believe that these medications either kill human beings when they are fertilized eggs or prevent them from implanting themselves in utero, whereupon they die.
Except they don't cause abortions. Again, a perfect example of living in a fantasy world.
The Left behaves as if Hobby Lobby were forcing their female employees to wear burqas. But Hobby Lobby’s policy is no different than, say, walking into the cafeteria at Yeshiva University and demanding a bacon cheeseburger.
Except that it's not at all the same or similiar in any way. One is a private company trying to, for religious reasons, control access to employees healthcare. The other is a school saying "we don't serve that food".
At its core, the Left’s moaning over Hobby Lobby is less about access to medicine and more about access to free stuff.
Except that the employees are already paying for their health insurance.
my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.
this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.
it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.
I have to admit, I was reading Focus' posts and was having trouble following what his point was, other than to tell us how stupid we are and how awesome he was. I didn't get why some were telling us why, if not for him working 15 years ago, people like me wouldn't have gotten out of the JWs.
I mean, he didn't attend my JC, pay for my divorce, help me out when I needed money, do my Bible research for me, watch my children when I needed to work, offer me a place to stay when I was kicked out of my house, pay for me to go back to school so I could get a job to support myself or anything.
Odd, all of that.
is atheism a belief system.
after all the atheist believes there is no god .so if that's the case then an atheist if a person of faith.
they have faith in the fact there is no god.
WHo taught the first children to programme them to believe as they had no parent.
Huh?
There must have been children before adults even in the primal sludge
How is that related to the topic? There was still no first human.
is atheism a belief system.
after all the atheist believes there is no god .so if that's the case then an atheist if a person of faith.
they have faith in the fact there is no god.
Cofty if day after day you follow prescribed principles decided upon" in your mind" ... is this not a personal belief system ?
No, it's personal principles.
And if atheism is your accepted understanding is it therefore not the bases for your belief system ?
I can't speak for Cofty, but my personal principle is to try to be a good person. What has that got to do with lacking belief in Jesus?
is atheism a belief system.
after all the atheist believes there is no god .so if that's the case then an atheist if a person of faith.
they have faith in the fact there is no god.
...maybe not a belief in God but belief in something... it seems logical to me each must have a base foundation to arrive at personal conclusions
How so? If I don't believe in God, what is the other thing, according to you, that I must believe in? Does belief in God influence which toothpaste you choose? Which bread? Coffee? Garbage bags? If not, then why do you insist that lack of one belief must be supplanted by another?
How are you building a logical construct such that "not A = A"?
