Viviane

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  World Population Since Creation?

  by objectivetruth in

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  matthew 20:28 - "just as the son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange of many".

  the word "many" here means :.

  4183 polys many (high in number); multitudinous, plenteous, "much"; "great" in amount (extent).. 4183 /polys ("much in number") emphasizes the quantity involved.

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  Viviane

  All Jesus is creepy. Your's doesn't get a pass.
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  The Great Crowd Catch 22

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just had a two hour conversation with my father.

  he is insistent that he will be able to enter the kingdom of god as a member of the 'great crowd'.

  he did agree that only the annointed are declared righteous.

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  Viviane

  Please pray for the salvation of my mom and dad.

  I hope bothof you realize what a crock your imaginary friends are and how awful your belief in them makes you. Only then will you have the opportunity to be a decent person not praying for the deaths of billions.
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  Your body is your PRIMARY TEACHER (a God-appointed channel is nowhere in the picture)

  by Pinku in

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  balance is the natural state of your body and is maintained by moderation in your habits such as sleep, work, eating, entertainment and thinking.

  (mathew7:12; 5:13-16; proverbs 25:16, 27; 1 cor 6:12; 8:9; philippians 4:5) your body sends signs of distress when you cross the limit.. this is true even in subtler areas too.

  contrary to the popular notion that happiness or peace come from accumulating things, body teaches it comes from renunciation.

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  Viviane

  WTF is it about religion, Jesus and imaginary friends that makes people so utterly ridiculously stupid?
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  Jesus is the Problem-"Christian Parents (not JWs) kick their son out for being Gay

  by fulltimestudent in

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  jesus had nothing to say - for or against, homosexuality.

  yet in his name, ignorant 'christian' parents will shun their children.

  and jesus does not interfere.

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  Viviane

  Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality because the Jews didn't practice homosexuality.

  That's hilarious, that you think there weren't any gay Israelites. The reason there was a proibition against it is that people were doing it!
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  Science and Philosephy.- God

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  when i discovered ervs and #2 chromosome i knew there was no personal god.

  the rest is history.

  i have always since kept updated in science as much as possible.. .

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  Viviane

  Was trying to say that with formation there is equal destruction. There have been literally entire galaxies that have disintegrated. Stars form and others burn out. Some stars are devoured by black holes and spit out as gamma rays that hit the earth. Therefore the universe isn't becoming more complex, its doing the same thing it has always done since the beginning. You tried to use formation of stars to dismiss this.

  Despite the fact that your claim is, thus far, utterly untrue, you are now following the discussion method of the average scientific woo mixologist. Take a little science, mix in a little woo, talk using sciency sounding words and every time your woo is shown to not make sense or be outright wrong, change the subject or change what you meant.

  So, on the subject of complexity, right now, and since it's formation, the universe has become more complex according to all observable data. Ultimately, according to all mathematical models, it will untilmately reach entropy of 1. That fits exactly what I wrote and has nothing to do with local phenomenon you use in an attempt to prove there is a lack of complexity.

  State your point clearly with your backing information and then let's discuss.

  I was trying to use dark matter the same way that theists have used the unknown details of Gravity to imply a God, however on further thought its no different.

  I am not sure how to parse that sentence.
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  Science and Philosephy.- God

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i discovered ervs and #2 chromosome i knew there was no personal god.

  the rest is history.

  i have always since kept updated in science as much as possible.. .

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  Viviane

  I thought the current consensus was that all the matter in the universe we see and feel was made right at the Big Bang. Matter is not still being created, its just transforming just like they teach us in school: energy doesn’t get created or destroyed, it only transforms or conserves (conservation of energy).

  What does that have to do with the formation atoms, stars, planets and life?

  Sure, light is technically physical and many used to believe light from the sun was a phenomenon (a god or super power/miracle of sorts).

  Light is 100% physical, not technically.

  Humans can manipulate matter and convert neutrons to protons.

  That happens all the time naturally, it's called beta decay.

  Perhaps an entity like a God could manipulate matter and energy(obeying laws) to a much greater scale than humans have the time to discover.

  How is that God? What do you mean by God? Define this entity.

  It is speculated that outside of our universe "our" laws perhaps are different or don't exist. Maybe a God could create these laws in the first place. I'm just playing devils advocate here btw :)

  Not really. There is no other "side" of the discussion, it's just baseless speculation.
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  Science and Philosephy.- God

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. jw
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  when i discovered ervs and #2 chromosome i knew there was no personal god.

  the rest is history.

  i have always since kept updated in science as much as possible.. .

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  Viviane

  How exactly has the universe become more complex over time? Do you mean to say it has become more chaotic?

  The formation of atoms, molecules, stars, planets, heavier elements, life.

  However to offer some counter-argument to your claim of the comparison being entirely unparallel: what if God is made up of only matter/energy?

  What would that mean? That God is physical? No special powers? Can be destroyed?
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  Science and Philosephy.- God

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i discovered ervs and #2 chromosome i knew there was no personal god.

  the rest is history.

  i have always since kept updated in science as much as possible.. .

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  Viviane

  Enough to know that there are two possibilities of the existence of matter/energy, both are infinite.

  There are far more possibilites. You should explore the issue further.

  It's an interesting perspective that I heard from him on a 2hr religous debate with sam harris, christopher hitchen, daniel dennet, etc. Just regurgitating something I heard from that clip yesterday, you would have to watch it to really get what i was trying to say. Must he be an astrophysicist to make a valid claim about the universe?

  Why is his opinion relevant? You've not answered that. Was his claim valid, testable, something already known or was he trying to merge his own poor understanding of science with theology?

  I was reffering to the inability to see or measure the physical properties of dark matter since its existence is an inferred hypothesis.

  It was predicted in the 1930's and it's a verified, objective and measurable fact that something is out there.
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  Science and Philosephy.- God

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i discovered ervs and #2 chromosome i knew there was no personal god.

  the rest is history.

  i have always since kept updated in science as much as possible.. .

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  Viviane

  I personally think its a 50/50 possibility considering the fact that it all boils down to either matter/energy thats always existed and exploded to give us galaxies or its a creator thats always existed (granted that creator would have to be careless of life).

  What have you studied on the subject?

  People like Dinesh D'Souza try to claim that atheists say that resurrection can't happen due to our knowledge of matter concerning re-materialization of matter.

  Dinesh D'Souza is political commentator. Why is his opinion relevant?

  Coded, did those studies accomodate for dark matter and energy which can't be quantified by any scientific instruments?

  That question isn't even wrong. Without measurements, how do you think dark matter and energy were discovered?
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  An important message from a PRACTICING Jehovah's witness

  by Sparks in

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  2. friends

  hi, i am also a practicing jehovah's witness and very proud of it,to say the very-very least..!

  i am a middle-aged man with many decades of being a witness of jehovah god in england.. this important letter is personally to you, just as many of the bible's 88 letters are to be taken personal by you the reader.

  i am writing to you to urge you to take stock of your life, think what your future holds for you.

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  Viviane

  I am also writing "man-to-man".If you stop reading this letter, you are either a coward, or full of hate for Jehovah or His people, or just plain stupid and just enjoy reading posts where others are just fueling your excuses to not return to Jehovah as a prodigal son or daughter.I'm sorry if that sounds a bit harsh,but the people on this site are just as harsh against Jehovah's earthly Organization.

  It's not harsh. It's just....bullshit. Ridiculously wrong bullshit.