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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  Viv, some prophecies pertain to the future. E.g. some of Daniel's prophecies. Here's a few quotes:

  OK. Which of those is a specific prohecy that came true?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  in john 12:12-16 it is written that there were a multitude of people who, of their own accord, welcomed Jesus as King into Jerusalem. The pharisees witnessed the procession (john 12:19) and that may be why they argued about "king of the jews" being inscribed on His cross (john 19:21) Jesus was elected King and Saviour by a multitude of jewish people without any involvement of the priests as was the custom.

  Kings, by definition, are not elected by the people. That wasn't the custom and being welcomed as King doesn't make one King. Also, no scripture ever said a man named Jesus would be crowned King.

  An argument can be made for the futility of siting specific dates with occurrences in the bible in that a person can be blind to prophesy even having seen it. the scriptures elude to the idea that until eyes are opened by God there is no real "vision"

  That's an argument and a terrible one. Dates would be amazing.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  iv, Jesus refers to himself as “son of man” many times. This is but a few. There’s many more: Matt. 8:20; 9:6; 17:12; Mr. 2:10, 11, 28; Luk. 6:5, 22; 7:34; John 3:14; 5:27; 8:28.

  Really?

  Matthew 8:20: Jesus replied, "Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."

  Matthew 9:6: But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "Get up, take your mat and go home."

  Matthew 17:12: But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands."

  Mark 2:10, 11: "But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins "-- He said to the paralytic, 11 "I say to you, get up, pick up your pallet and go home."

  Mark 2:28: So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

  Luke 6:5: Then Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

  Luke 6:22: Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.

  Luke 7:34: The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.'

  John 3:14: Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,

  John 5:27: And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

  John 8:28:So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

  The ONLY scripture that even comesclose to saying what you claim is John 8:28, but even then, contextually, Jesus saying he is I AM, not the Son of Man. Along with his previous claim of being I AM, it fits.

  In any event, Jesus never became King, so the prophecy fails. You can, of course, argue he is Kingin heaven, but that'sa theological argument and not a historical one.
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  All religions are false, but god is true.

  by Domenic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was a jw for many years.

  during those years i learned how to identify a false religion.

  all the other religions were easy to prove false.

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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Viviane

  That means that this being is older than the universe, thatmeans that this being of immense power does NOT see or undersand things like humans do right not, that He is far above in terms of development from humans as humans are from ants ( as an example).

  This being then KNOWS that death doesn't actually exist, it is simply a change from state A to state B before state C ( and D, and E, etc).

  Full stop, do not pass go.

  Explain, specifically, why God being older than the universe and the first cause would mean any of this?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  Jesus often referred to himself as “the son of man.”

  Where did Jesus refer to himself as the "son of man"?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Does anyone have a clear example of a specific prophecy with names, dates, specific events from the Bible? So far we have zero.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  So, you are left with exercising good judgement, whether a report is true, half-true or false. And you have to allow for the benefit of the doubt. Take for example Josephus' testimony on Daniel. Do you accept it as fact or fiction:

  Nope, not an option for you. A key component of science is "observation". That's no longer an option for you. Their reports and observations can't be allowed in. Everything you are describing is using science. You just said that is NOT valid, you need to find another way.

  Josephus (ca. 100 CE) would view Daniel as “one of the greatest prophets,” because not only did he prophesy future things, but he also fixed the time during which these would come to pass.

  Yes, but science (which you can't use in any way) clearly shows Daniel was written over the years in parts and pieces by different people.
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  Why do JWs think ISIS is sadisitc but the Israelites under Jah's command loving?

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have heard so many jws complain about isis and how cruel and sadistic and pitiless they are.

  all my mind can think about is how their techniques are so similiar to the ancient israelites under joshua that the jws feel are heroes and champions of true worship.. role models for kids.

  isis believes that non-believers who do not subscribe to their world view should be killed in brutal ways.

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  Viviane

  Because reasons.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  I am convinced the 70 weeks "cut off with nothing for himself" has nothing to do with his crucifixion.

  It has everything do do with this:

  How so? Be specific with predicted names, dates and events.