Posts by Viviane

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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Viviane

Vivian, have you tried to calculate the pressure applied in the atmosphere by a crap load of water in the canopy? Also how much light would penatrate the canopy given its estimated volume? Ultimately pointless, it's a bit like taking the time to calculate the weight of the pink light reflected by the Invisible Pink Unicorn or the volume of the FSM's left ball.

You've managed to miss the point entirely.

Prologos loves to make wild claims, promote pseudoscience and pretend he's incredibly smart. I really cannot stand people using faith, religion and fairy tales to dumb people down, I hate it even more when people push woo, ignorance and foolishness under the guise of knowledge. I will call it out every single time I see it.

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Glory of creation is still untouched!

by Pinku in

according to plato, the universe thrives on its own, dies and gets rebornall on its own and within itself.

the wise symbolized this concept in ouroboros, a serpent eating its own tail.

[even more wonderful is the marvel called a fruit-bearing treeit does not even eat its own fruit, but simply subsists on mostly what we may consider as dirt/refuse; and trees collectively perform yet another marvel of photosynthesis that make use of our wastes and give us oxygen, food, water, shelter, fiber..........................................[http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/opinion/to-save-the-planet-dont-plant-trees.html?_r=0].

Viviane

Logic has nothing to do with belief Viv, so stop trying to make it make sense

I know, and I will never stop pointing that out so long as people are using belief and faith to tell me how to live.

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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Viviane

I looked at the canopy coming down problem. how high was it, as imagined? a hemispheric dome firmament over a flat earth?

Why would it be a hemisphere over a flat earth?

6000 km high? or more conservatively estimated at satelite orbit heights?

Satellites orbit anywhere from 2000 to over 35000 km.

Than it would take 1 million joules to put a kilo up there.

Please show your math. Also, you really didn't define what you mean by "up there".

4184 joules will heat that kilo 1 degree c. (1kcalory). so: upon falling the mass of the water canopy, would have been heated to 240 degrees c. superheated steam.

Please show that math and explain those numbers. I am curious how super-heated steam falls like rain, also. And how you now claim super-heated steam but earlier claimed the air would be a nice temperature.

I re-did the atmosphere at the new sea level above Everest, and the fall in pressure is equivalent to the change in a 3 story climb, do not expect adiabatic cooling from that. how is that math?

Please show that math.

Earth circumference 40 000 km. added heights 8 850km to radius X 2 ( to get diameter) =17.7km x 3,14= 55.6 km added to diameter. 40 000:55.6=~ 720. --.14 % --addiing a slice of ~56 km longditude to the existing atmosphere reduces the density by only .14%.

What us 8850 km in that equation? The height of Everest? Show the math showing the lessening of atmospheric density. Also, Everest is 8848 METERS high, not kilometers.

Numbers count.

So far, you've not shown that you can. Please show your work and explain it. You're continually mixing concepts and throwing out numbers without context or that don't make sense.

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stupid elder

by goingthruthemotions in

as you all know i am just going thru the motions.

well today during the brain washing session.

one stupid elder made the comment of.....an i quote "the jw.org website is the most visited website in the world!

Viviane

Globally it's the 1682th most visited site. In the US it's 1658th most visited.

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Faith - Virtue or Vice?

by nicolaou in

faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

why be dishonest with yourself?

Viviane

Do you actually think I changed from a believer to a non believer from post one to post two? That makes no sense. If I am not a believer, then why would I defend faith without reason? The answer is: I wouldn't and I didn't.

Lisa, from what I can tell, CL thinks he is incredibly smart and loves to come here and tell us all how stupid we are while being incredibly wrong a large percentage of the time. Were I you, I wouldn't do anything that point out his first and obvious error and then let him spend the next 20 posts proving what a blowhard he is.

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Faith - Virtue or Vice?

by nicolaou in

faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

why be dishonest with yourself?

Viviane

Everyone knows what is right and wrong, and they are FREE to make any choice, BUT NOT FREE to choose the results which are predetermined. The discreet one will learn from other’s experiences. The indiscreet one will learn from his own experience, paying a price.

OK. What is right and wrong? Is sex out of wedlock wrong? What if one lives ina society where wedlock, as defined by Western Society, doesn't exist? Is gay marriage wrong? What about being transgender? Stealing to feed your family? Killing someone? Smoking marijuana?

Define exactly and specifically what is right and wrong, please and how "everyone" know it given that there are so many disagreements.

A clock is not meant to know how it is made of, so is our mind. We only need to unfold our inner qualities—Mathew 7:12

I didn't ask about a clock. You are making claims to know what a spirit creature wants. I am simply asking what this spirit creature is made of. How does it communicate, how can we see or detect it? And humans are making great strides in knowing how our minds work and is constructed, so that analogy failes miserably.

What are our inner qualities? How are they defined? What makes them good or bad? You have a lot of work to do to avoid speaking in meaningless gibberish.

Bible has been corrupted, says Bible itself. (Jeremiah 7:22; 8:8; compare Acts 20:28-30) Will God permit corruption of the Bible if it really did belong to Him.

Then, using your reasoning, I can discount everything you have said since it relys on a corrupted and self-defying manuscript.

Hence look at Nature. God has kept lessons for us in it.—Romans 1:20 (Bible is corrupted, yet some eternal truth contains in it intact such as Mathew 5:44-48; 7:12; James 2:8 ..... which are the same lessons found in the nature too, hence we can quote such verses)

Oooops, you can't use that because it could be corrupted. You'll need to prove it's an eternal truth independantly of the Bible to be accepted, according to you.

You've all your work ahead of you. I wouldn't want to accidentally accept poison from you because you mistakenly thought corrupted scripture was "eternal truth". You're say so isn't good enough. No cherry picking. You've got to connect the dots from "lessons found in nature" to eternal truth found admist poisonous scripture.

Be specific with objective evidence.

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Faith - Virtue or Vice?

by nicolaou in

faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

why be dishonest with yourself?

Viviane

Spirituality without religions means acknowledging God as he really is (God is spirit—John 4:24) and spirit of what He intends for us. Religions abused human rights, so did Atheists (in former USSR, China, Cuba …) hence both are two sides of the same coin—abuse of power.

OK, what about people that claim to be spiritual yet believe something completely different about God than you? What is spirit made of? How can we objectively know what God wants using a book that has numerous errors and contradictions?

Until you answer these basic questions, you are speaking in meaningless platitudes.

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Faith - Virtue or Vice?

by nicolaou in

faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

why be dishonest with yourself?

Viviane

Rather, the critisim of your initial statement was that you were transposing the meaning of "faith" from: believing things without evidence - to: trust.

It means both. I would suggest knowing what you are talking about before declaring someone else wrong. You're still coming across as a know-it-all jackass. That would be fine except you often don't know what you are talking about, kinda like the religious people you criticize.

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Debunking the KCA

by Coded Logic in

for those who havent encountered it before, the kalam cosmological argument is a proof of gods existence and goes as follows:.

) anything that begins to exist has a cause..

) the universe began to exist.. c.) therefore the universe has a cause.. .

Viviane

Or, you could have just searched and found any of the hundreds of threads on this exact subject. Energy may not be created or destroyed, but it can be wasted (also, that's not what the First Law of Thermodynamics says).

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Faith - Virtue or Vice?

by nicolaou in

faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

why be dishonest with yourself?

Viviane

SPIRITUALITY without religions.

What, specifically, is spirituallity?