Posts by Viviane

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Faith - Virtue or Vice?

by nicolaou in

faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

why be dishonest with yourself?

Viviane

I said that the use of the word "faith" in the OP was not in reference to that particular meaning. Viviane, you are dead wrong and it is unfortunate you didn't take your own advice and "know what your talking about before declaring someone else wrong."

Wrong again! The OP didn't specifiy a particular definition and it's not your right nor priviledge to tell another poster they used the wrong one! How could she possibly have transposed something that was never specified?

I'm not sure why you are on a personal vandetta with all of my posts and comments to "prove me wrong" but the only person you're making look like a "blowhard" (your words) is yourself.

Ignorance combined with arrogance. You don't rate a vendetta, dear. It's just delicious irony to point out the errors of someone who's whirlwind entrance was to tell us all how stupid we are and continues to do so even while unable to see his own.

Remove the rafter from thine own eye.

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

.

Viviane

Caedes, MASH, these are just fun exercises, and certainly not prologos' original thoughts, so what would be there to apologise for?

For wilfully spreading misinformation and making claims to be able to do all kinds of math that you clearly can't do.

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

.

Viviane

Caedes, I am internet challenged. but take a piece of paper and draw a xy axis coordinate system one with garvity up, with distance increasing to the right to the right. Use any values, but to get to the other side of the world, to the bottom left, you have to pass through the ZERO point in the center.

That's not how gravity works.

The planets are in free fall, basically zero gravity.

They fall because of gravity. You've got it exactly backwards.

It is a comforting thought that even during the big bang ther was zero gravity at the center of the universe, and it still is.

Even if anything you are saying were true, the universe would have to be a perfect sphere for this statement to be true. It's not.

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

.

Viviane

So, personally I love to see people such as yourself take the time to evidentially prove woo wrong. However, I am not sure I missed the point entirely?

Apparently not. Apologies!

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Debunking the KCA

by Coded Logic in

for those who havent encountered it before, the kalam cosmological argument is a proof of gods existence and goes as follows:.

) anything that begins to exist has a cause..

) the universe began to exist.. c.) therefore the universe has a cause.. .

Viviane

So, if you are familiar with this law, then you know (unless you don't understand the equation) that energy must be preserved in thermodynamic processes. This seems to be what Coded Logic meant, doesn't it?

You're quite correct, of course, that's exactly what the first law of thermodynamics says. That's not what Coded Logic said, as you aptly pointed out.

As to whether or not that's what he meant, it's utterly irrelevant to my point, but, thanks for doing a little extra leg work to show that I was 100% correct in what I said.

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

.

Viviane

Vivian, have you tried to calculate the pressure applied in the atmosphere by a crap load of water in the canopy? Also how much light would penatrate the canopy given its estimated volume? Ultimately pointless, it's a bit like taking the time to calculate the weight of the pink light reflected by the Invisible Pink Unicorn or the volume of the FSM's left ball.

You've managed to miss the point entirely.

Prologos loves to make wild claims, promote pseudoscience and pretend he's incredibly smart. I really cannot stand people using faith, religion and fairy tales to dumb people down, I hate it even more when people push woo, ignorance and foolishness under the guise of knowledge. I will call it out every single time I see it.

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Glory of creation is still untouched!

by Pinku in

according to plato, the universe thrives on its own, dies and gets rebornall on its own and within itself.

the wise symbolized this concept in ouroboros, a serpent eating its own tail.

[even more wonderful is the marvel called a fruit-bearing treeit does not even eat its own fruit, but simply subsists on mostly what we may consider as dirt/refuse; and trees collectively perform yet another marvel of photosynthesis that make use of our wastes and give us oxygen, food, water, shelter, fiber..........................................[http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/opinion/to-save-the-planet-dont-plant-trees.html?_r=0].

Viviane

Logic has nothing to do with belief Viv, so stop trying to make it make sense

I know, and I will never stop pointing that out so long as people are using belief and faith to tell me how to live.

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

.

Viviane

I looked at the canopy coming down problem. how high was it, as imagined? a hemispheric dome firmament over a flat earth?

Why would it be a hemisphere over a flat earth?

6000 km high? or more conservatively estimated at satelite orbit heights?

Satellites orbit anywhere from 2000 to over 35000 km.

Than it would take 1 million joules to put a kilo up there.

Please show your math. Also, you really didn't define what you mean by "up there".

4184 joules will heat that kilo 1 degree c. (1kcalory). so: upon falling the mass of the water canopy, would have been heated to 240 degrees c. superheated steam.

Please show that math and explain those numbers. I am curious how super-heated steam falls like rain, also. And how you now claim super-heated steam but earlier claimed the air would be a nice temperature.

I re-did the atmosphere at the new sea level above Everest, and the fall in pressure is equivalent to the change in a 3 story climb, do not expect adiabatic cooling from that. how is that math?

Please show that math.

Earth circumference 40 000 km. added heights 8 850km to radius X 2 ( to get diameter) =17.7km x 3,14= 55.6 km added to diameter. 40 000:55.6=~ 720. --.14 % --addiing a slice of ~56 km longditude to the existing atmosphere reduces the density by only .14%.

What us 8850 km in that equation? The height of Everest? Show the math showing the lessening of atmospheric density. Also, Everest is 8848 METERS high, not kilometers.

Numbers count.

So far, you've not shown that you can. Please show your work and explain it. You're continually mixing concepts and throwing out numbers without context or that don't make sense.

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stupid elder

by goingthruthemotions in

as you all know i am just going thru the motions.

well today during the brain washing session.

one stupid elder made the comment of.....an i quote "the jw.org website is the most visited website in the world!

Viviane

Globally it's the 1682th most visited site. In the US it's 1658th most visited.

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Faith - Virtue or Vice?

by nicolaou in

faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

why be dishonest with yourself?

Viviane

Do you actually think I changed from a believer to a non believer from post one to post two? That makes no sense. If I am not a believer, then why would I defend faith without reason? The answer is: I wouldn't and I didn't.

Lisa, from what I can tell, CL thinks he is incredibly smart and loves to come here and tell us all how stupid we are while being incredibly wrong a large percentage of the time. Were I you, I wouldn't do anything that point out his first and obvious error and then let him spend the next 20 posts proving what a blowhard he is.