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  Faith - Virtue or Vice?

  by nicolaou in

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  faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

  all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

  why be dishonest with yourself?

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  Viviane

  And another topic drowns beneath the 'he said - she said' waves. Thanks guys.

  Or, it exposes those who have nothing better to do than spout BS and those who can spot that BS.
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  Saturday morning field service is a joke

  by hoser in

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  i havent been going door to door saturday mornings for since i can't remember when.

  i have been putting in regular reports to the congregation but the last time i actually went on a door was probably six months ago or so and it has been at least 2 years since i did a saturday morning.

  9:30 we showed up to the group arrangement, we waited outside because we were not sure that it was the right place.

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  Viviane

  I live in a nice, safe historic neighborhood laid out on a grid with sidewalks in a small town with three congregations and an assembly hall. In the two years I have lived here, JWs have stopped exactly once and even then, all they did was say "We are handing this out to our neighbors" and left. They handed me a tract.
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  Faith - Virtue or Vice?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

  all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

  why be dishonest with yourself?

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  Viviane

  I did not bring up that subject! Viviane asked: " Is sex out of wedlock wrong?" I showed he knows the answer putting another question. You would note that I did not answer question " Is sex out of wedlock wrong?

  You gave a meaningless non-answer. You claim knowledge, but prevaricate and pontificate when actually asked to provide something. Like so many other religious posters, trying to figure exactly what you mean and whether or not it's useful is like trying to nail jello to a wall.
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  Faith - Virtue or Vice?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

  all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

  why be dishonest with yourself?

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  Viviane

  I said that the use of the word "faith" in the OP was not in reference to that particular meaning. Viviane, you are dead wrong and it is unfortunate you didn't take your own advice and "know what your talking about before declaring someone else wrong."

  Wrong again! The OP didn't specifiy a particular definition and it's not your right nor priviledge to tell another poster they used the wrong one! How could she possibly have transposed something that was never specified?

  I'm not sure why you are on a personal vandetta with all of my posts and comments to "prove me wrong" but the only person you're making look like a "blowhard" (your words) is yourself.

  Ignorance combined with arrogance. You don't rate a vendetta, dear. It's just delicious irony to point out the errors of someone who's whirlwind entrance was to tell us all how stupid we are and continues to do so even while unable to see his own.

  Remove the rafter from thine own eye.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  Caedes, MASH, these are just fun exercises, and certainly not prologos' original thoughts, so what would be there to apologise for?

  For wilfully spreading misinformation and making claims to be able to do all kinds of math that you clearly can't do.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  Caedes, I am internet challenged. but take a piece of paper and draw a xy axis coordinate system one with garvity up, with distance increasing to the right to the right. Use any values, but to get to the other side of the world, to the bottom left, you have to pass through the ZERO point in the center.

  That's not how gravity works.

  The planets are in free fall, basically zero gravity.

  They fall because of gravity. You've got it exactly backwards.

  It is a comforting thought that even during the big bang ther was zero gravity at the center of the universe, and it still is.

  Even if anything you are saying were true, the universe would have to be a perfect sphere for this statement to be true. It's not.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  So, personally I love to see people such as yourself take the time to evidentially prove woo wrong. However, I am not sure I missed the point entirely?

  Apparently not. Apologies!
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  Debunking the KCA

  by Coded Logic in

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  for those who havent encountered it before, the kalam cosmological argument is a proof of gods existence and goes as follows:.

  ) anything that begins to exist has a cause..

  ) the universe began to exist.. c.) therefore the universe has a cause.. .

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  Viviane

  So, if you are familiar with this law, then you know (unless you don't understand the equation) that energy must be preserved in thermodynamic processes. This seems to be what Coded Logic meant, doesn't it?

  You're quite correct, of course, that's exactly what the first law of thermodynamics says. That's not what Coded Logic said, as you aptly pointed out.

  As to whether or not that's what he meant, it's utterly irrelevant to my point, but, thanks for doing a little extra leg work to show that I was 100% correct in what I said.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  Vivian, have you tried to calculate the pressure applied in the atmosphere by a crap load of water in the canopy? Also how much light would penatrate the canopy given its estimated volume? Ultimately pointless, it's a bit like taking the time to calculate the weight of the pink light reflected by the Invisible Pink Unicorn or the volume of the FSM's left ball.

  You've managed to miss the point entirely.

  Prologos loves to make wild claims, promote pseudoscience and pretend he's incredibly smart. I really cannot stand people using faith, religion and fairy tales to dumb people down, I hate it even more when people push woo, ignorance and foolishness under the guise of knowledge. I will call it out every single time I see it.
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  Glory of creation is still untouched!

  by Pinku in

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  according to plato, the universe thrives on its own, dies and gets rebornall on its own and within itself.

  the wise symbolized this concept in ouroboros, a serpent eating its own tail.

  [even more wonderful is the marvel called a fruit-bearing treeit does not even eat its own fruit, but simply subsists on mostly what we may consider as dirt/refuse; and trees collectively perform yet another marvel of photosynthesis that make use of our wastes and give us oxygen, food, water, shelter, fiber..........................................[http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/opinion/to-save-the-planet-dont-plant-trees.html?_r=0].

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  Viviane

  Logic has nothing to do with belief Viv, so stop trying to make it make sense

  I know, and I will never stop pointing that out so long as people are using belief and faith to tell me how to live.