Posts by Viviane

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God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

by exWTslave in

in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

Viviane

All your objections are VERY EFFECTIVELY COUNTERED here:

Kalos, from the first link is one of the most idiotic and ignorant things I have ever read, "The notion of God, put another way, is a threat to humanity’s desire to be free from burdensome moral constraint"

What morals do you imagine I am ignoring? I do volunteer work with both the needy and rescue animals, I donate time and money. I have a normal job, I am not having sex outside of marriage, I don't do drugs, rarely drink, don't steal, have never murdered anyone, etc.

Since you clearly feel that I, being an atheist, have no moral constraint, what specific moral sins do you imagine I am committing?

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God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

by exWTslave in

in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

Viviane

Resorting to pure ASSERTION and LABELLING using words such as these is an indirect way of admitting you have nothing in your arsenal to counter what you read.

Your response is a perfectly beautiful example of a meaningless cesspool of derp.

Your imaginary sky daddy is just that, imaginary. What I read is an attempt to convince people that they can make fantastical claims and somehow expect to be taken seriously. It's just not so. Your reasoning and critical thinking skills are non-existant. You want and expect your childish beliefs to be respected, yet you can't even answer in a coherent fashion even the simplest of questions.

It's sad, utterly and pathetically sad.

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God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

by exWTslave in

in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

Viviane

Hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of God, one need not take it seriously.

You can't take it seriously because you don't have any. Taking it seriously would force you to admit you've none or, as you amply demonstrated, send you into a swirling cesspool of nonsensical, meaningless derp.

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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Viviane

A good pastor won't marry people who shouldn't get married and should stay in the couple's life to see how they are doing.

A bad pastor is one who thinks he is qualified to decide who should be in a relationship.

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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Viviane

Viviane tells me that no one is being forced to do anything that is against their religion.

That's not at all what I said.

Now, I am not an intellectual

The power to remedy that is in your hands.

Okay, I'm a dumbass, I admit it, but doesn't that article plainly say, "Christian Pastors within their community"? Indicating religions/churches beyond The Hitching Post?

It does. That's, however, inaccurate.

Aren't they using The Hitching Post as an example to send a message to churches that they better fall in line, or else?

There is nothing to indicate that at all. Also, there is an assumption that there is something to fall in line with. What line, specifically, are you thinking of?

I know Viviane will say, "So what? What if they do?"

You know very little if you think you know that.

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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Viviane

What is wrong with this statement?

I have to assume you mean the statement: "I can see maybe enforcing a public wedding chapel business to treat everyone equal, but to force individuals to go against their bible beliefs is just wrong in this country."

What is wrong with it is it would allow this:

I am allowed to keep slaves because of a sincerely held Biblical belief.

I am allowed to sell my children because of a sincerely held Biblical belief.

I am allowed to have multiple wives because of a sincerely held Biblical belief.

I am allowed to stone people to death for what I percieve as offenses against God due to a sincerely held Biblical belief.

As I wrote, we restrict people from practicing sincerely held Biblical beliefs all the time and for good reason. Since no pastor, acting in the capacity of a pastor, is being forced to perform gay marriages, it is a moot point, it's the argumentative equivalent of arguing that you don't believe puppies should be allowed to have driver's license.

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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Viviane

I think it them morphed into a discussion where someone named MASH keep bashing me for not agreeing that Pastors should be forced to marry gay people.

It started out with the OP claiming pastors were being forced to marry gays or face jail time, which you thought was true (since you wrote "don't those city officials have anything better to do than threaten Christian Pastors with jail time for politely declining to marry same sex people?").

You in fact DO apparently support discrimination, because in that same post you ALSO wrote "I can see maybe enforcing a public wedding chapel business to treat everyone equal, but to force individuals to go against their bible beliefs is just wrong in this country."

The government disallows people from practicing all sorts of biblically approved behavior. The problem is that there is no coherent argument against equal rights for gay people that could not be equallly applied to black persons or women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8JsRx2lois

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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Viviane

Yesterday, I tried supporting both the gay rights, and not forcing Christian Pastors to marry same sex couples if their conscience was against it

No Christian Pastor, in his or her capacity as a pastor, has to do that today.

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A young girl shouts down a Street preacher

by fulltimestudent in

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got to admit that when some of these screechers get wound up, ive felt the same as the young lady.. http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/06/08/34/girl-tells-street-preacher-to-shut-up.

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Viviane

If it had been me, I would have had to fight the impulse to slap her little mouth.

A little girl is more than you can handle?

It's just highly discriminatory and prejudice behaviour for a child of this age.

Huh? He is standing there telling people to repent or die. In what way is the prejudging him or discriminating against him? He is there is his own free will.

If she didn't want to hear it, she could have just walked away

Same applies to him. He chose to be loud on the street.

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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Viviane

I don't believe they should less rights than anyone else, I believe everyone should have rights.

You believe a gay person should be able to be denied service from a public accomodation based soley on their sexual orientation, so yes, you do.

You don't support equal rights.