Posts by Viviane

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Bible prophecies falter?

by Kalos in

wt-projected anglo-american dual world power has many times showed they are no longer dual.

latest in the series is britains inclination towards recognizing palestinian state which runs counter to us interests.

(http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/parliament-overwhelmingly-palestinian) and now eu is poised for doing something more (http://online.wsj.com/articles/european-nations-consider-recognizing-palestinian-state-1415406076.

Viviane

Not one Biblical prophecy has come true exactly as predicted.

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As I move further away from theWT.....

by Viviane in

i've, over the years, looked into many religions.

obviously, from those that have seen me post here, i've become an atheist simply because i couldn't find any reason to believe in god.

recently, though, over the past few months, a new change has started.

Viviane

Why abandon the Giver of Life and Source of Love, simply because you have been lied to?

You have some kind of proof that your diety is the giver of life? Please do present that.

Oh. My God.

I know, that article was amazing.

The real debate is Star Trek or Star Trek Next Gen. Kirk vs. Picard.

No love for Captain Sulu?

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As I move further away from theWT.....

by Viviane in

i've, over the years, looked into many religions.

obviously, from those that have seen me post here, i've become an atheist simply because i couldn't find any reason to believe in god.

recently, though, over the past few months, a new change has started.

Viviane

Stone the infidel! Yorickians attack!

I knew him well!

It all "Much ado About Nothing".

It's lately sounded like kids arguing over whether or not Star Wars or Star Trek is better. Who cares?

I've got my hand up! Can I comment?

Please do, Brother Fulltimestudent.

Viviane, of course, all religions are silly, cut from the same cloth, but does it follow that the universe made itself?* I remain a deist. Credit were credit is due, without worship, and anonymously.

Completely OT.

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As I move further away from theWT.....

by Viviane in

i've, over the years, looked into many religions.

obviously, from those that have seen me post here, i've become an atheist simply because i couldn't find any reason to believe in god.

recently, though, over the past few months, a new change has started.

Viviane

I've, over the years, looked into many religions. Obviously, from those that have seen me post here, I've become an atheist simply because I couldn't find any reason to believe in God. Recently, though, over the past few months, a new change has started.

All religions look silly now. For quite a while, after becoming an atheist, I held on to quite a bit of respect for religion and it's traditions and customs and eschtatology, but the further I move from having been a JW, a religious person, basically, the more I have distance between me and that life, the more I find any religious belief to just be ... silly.

Not to say I don't know and love and respect many religious people, of course I do. But I find myself giving no respect to belief in the undetectable, the unprovable, the unknowable. I find it hubris to pretend to know thing that can't possibly be know. It seems to me to be a sad and pitiable fact that people sit around and wonder and argue about whether or not Adam and Eve had Down Syndrome. I find it absolutely insane when someone says I have no morals and am going to hell because I am an atheist and then turns and demands I respect their version of their religion, as if having a belief entitles them to something.

It does not.

This move our from being a JW changed me, for the better, I think. My kids father is still a JW, recently they told me that he often blames me for them not accepting the JW religion, believing in evolution and using "independent" thinking. They said they didn't blame me. I told them I WAS responsible for that, as much as I could be, but rather than accept blame, I would list freeing their mind as one of my proudest and best accomplishements.

Anyting similar happen to anyone else?

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Religion without revelation - any examples from the past?

by EdenOne in

i'm researching on the common trait of mostly every religion coming from pre-humanist times, and that would be, the notion of "revelation", that is, that at the beginning of every [i say this with caution because i'm admitting to exceptions] religion there is some sort of "revelation" from supernatural being(s) of some sort.. my question is: do you know of any example of religions from the past that you can confidently say that were exempt from "revelation"?

this is not the same as asking if there were religions without gods, or religions of nature.

i'm not even considering what i understand as philosophical-ethical systems, such as confucionism or platonism my purpose is to find out if, at the starting point of all religions of the past, there is a "revelation", or merely "observation / contemplation".

Viviane

Jainism is one of the oldest religions and I believe it meets your requirments of no purported revelation, enlightenment from a supernatural origin, or mystical connection with a supernatural world.

"According to Jains, souls are intrinsically pure and possess the qualities of infinite knowledge, infinite perception, infinite bliss and infinite energy. [ 28 ] In contemporary experience, however, these qualities are found to be defiled and obstructed, on account of the soul's association with a substance called karma over an eternity of beginningless time"

As soon as the concept of soul is introduced, there is a mystical connection with a supernatural world.

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God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

by exWTslave in

in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

Viviane

Katos: reading speed and intelligence are often linked.

Simon, the article was just under 3000 words. It's unpossible that it took less than 10 minutes to read that!

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God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

by exWTslave in

in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

Viviane

Your comment came after 13 minutes of my posting that link—it is obvious that you had only a CURSORY look on them!

So now your're claiming to know how fast I read, type and whether or not I had read that previously? How ignorant of you.

In any event, being ignorant doesn't get you off the hook.

Since you believe that I, as an atheist, only am an atheist because I seek to be free from moral constraint, please enlighten me specifically as to which moral contraint I am lacking.

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God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

by exWTslave in

in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

Viviane

You could have read the links before your could comment negatively on them!

We both quoted from them, so clearly we DID read them.

Since you believe that I, as an atheist, only am an atheist because I seek to be free from moral constraint, please enlighten me specifically as to which moral contraint I am lacking.

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God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

by exWTslave in

in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

Viviane

All your objections are VERY EFFECTIVELY COUNTERED here:

Kalos, from the first link is one of the most idiotic and ignorant things I have ever read, "The notion of God, put another way, is a threat to humanity’s desire to be free from burdensome moral constraint"

What morals do you imagine I am ignoring? I do volunteer work with both the needy and rescue animals, I donate time and money. I have a normal job, I am not having sex outside of marriage, I don't do drugs, rarely drink, don't steal, have never murdered anyone, etc.

Since you clearly feel that I, being an atheist, have no moral constraint, what specific moral sins do you imagine I am committing?

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God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

by exWTslave in

in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

Viviane

Resorting to pure ASSERTION and LABELLING using words such as these is an indirect way of admitting you have nothing in your arsenal to counter what you read.

Your response is a perfectly beautiful example of a meaningless cesspool of derp.

Your imaginary sky daddy is just that, imaginary. What I read is an attempt to convince people that they can make fantastical claims and somehow expect to be taken seriously. It's just not so. Your reasoning and critical thinking skills are non-existant. You want and expect your childish beliefs to be respected, yet you can't even answer in a coherent fashion even the simplest of questions.

It's sad, utterly and pathetically sad.