Viviane

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  Who Was Jesus and what it means to Believe.

  by objectivetruth in

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  "truth is one, paths are many.

  " - gandhi.

  gandhi also said, "i like your christ.

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  Viviane

  Living by the 5 ways to imitate Jesus as outlined in the OP would be a very stupid way to live...
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  A young girl shouts down a Street preacher

  by fulltimestudent in

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  got to admit that when some of these screechers get wound up, ive felt the same as the young lady.. http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/06/08/34/girl-tells-street-preacher-to-shut-up.

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  Viviane

  How you got all that about women and female children submission, I'll never know. Everyone who is familiar with my past history on this forum knows I'm a pretty radical feminist.

  Interesting that you felt stung by that comment since I never addressed it to you.

  Along with others, I have politely stated my personal opinion about the way the street preacher was treated. Now you attempt to label us as sexist in order to suit your own separate agenda.

  No one has been rude to you. Your ignorant and false accusation is rude, however.

  I see that polite reasoned debate is lost on you. Let me respond to you in language that you endorse, defend, and approve of.

  None are so blind as those that think they see.

  SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!

  So far that's the most well thought out point you've made.
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  A young girl shouts down a Street preacher

  by fulltimestudent in

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  got to admit that when some of these screechers get wound up, ive felt the same as the young lady.. http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/06/08/34/girl-tells-street-preacher-to-shut-up.

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  Viviane

  So, the issue is that it's a child and a female speaking this way. Interesting.

  What can I say except that the that you have your own subjective views of how females and children should submit, be seen and not heard, not stand up to man, etc. Unfortunately for people that have that attitude, the world is changing and those people now have a voice.
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  900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

  by Perry in

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  we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

  selection to account for the complexity of life.

  careful examination of the .

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  Viviane

  So Cofty, Where did the DNA code language come from?

  Chemical interactions. It's not a code or a language, as such, with intelligence backing it. It's simple chemical interactions based on physics.
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  God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

  by exWTslave in

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  in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

  hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

  hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

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  Viviane

  There is an easy way—go to New York Times office, and tell them you wish to see their first issue published on September 18, 1851. You are taken to the archive department and shown that first issue kept in glassed frame. Now ask them: What is the issue preceding to this? And experience FIRST-HAND the heat of real logic being practiced in the world.

  You're attempting to use some that has a known cause to support the idea that there is an uncaused cause, a not-A A.

  It's just as dumb of an example usingbad logic and incorrect analogies.
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  God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

  by exWTslave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

  hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

  hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

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  Viviane

  How would you feel about logic behind that question?

  That the person asking, like you, doesn't understand logic.

  We understand better when we are in the receiving end of the logic someone uses.

  Your questions in no way use any logic that suggest there is a an uncaused First Cause. That's like saying there is a not-A A.
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  A young girl shouts down a Street preacher

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  got to admit that when some of these screechers get wound up, ive felt the same as the young lady.. http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/06/08/34/girl-tells-street-preacher-to-shut-up.

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  Viviane

  Viv - I'd like to see the same with an apathy trolley crew

  If you mean the JW trolleys, I've only seen one or two (I don't live in a large urban area, just near one) and they seemed to be doing everything they could to NOT talk to people.
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  A young girl shouts down a Street preacher

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  got to admit that when some of these screechers get wound up, ive felt the same as the young lady.. http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/06/08/34/girl-tells-street-preacher-to-shut-up.

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  Viviane

  Well, it looks like a hoax. Who was filming it and why? If that were real they'd have probably started filming after they noticed the rude kid.

  Agreed, it does look staged. But, for the sake of argument, I am treating it as real, so....
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  A young girl shouts down a Street preacher

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  got to admit that when some of these screechers get wound up, ive felt the same as the young lady.. http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/06/08/34/girl-tells-street-preacher-to-shut-up.

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  Viviane

  To stop in front of any street entertainer and repeatedly tell them to shut up is rude.

  He is not a street entertainer. He is preaching death to those who disagree with him.

  For a little girl to be encouraged to behave like this is plain sad.

  What does being little or a girl have to do with talking back to someone telling you God is going to kill you? Why is it sad for her to stand up to someone preaching death to random people? Why can HE stand there and shout horrible things to strangers but SHE is rude, a brat, etc., for daring to talk back to HIM? Why are there two standards here?

  The parents should teach her to stay away from strange men, not confront them.

  Why? Why men and why strange? Most harm, abuse and death of children caused by adult are by people they know. Better advice would be to stay away from men they know.
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  Science is right in its details, but wrong in its direction

  by exWTslave in

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  science observes, studies and analyses the basic nature of all the components constituting the part of any experiment, follows the principle of cause and effect, and come out with equipments that would contribute to our comfort and save us lots of time and energyall of which are ultimately aimed at making life on this earth happier, longer and healthier, thus making this world a better place to live.. yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter!

  it means: though science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction.

  it failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (man) for whom it works.

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  Viviane

  Anytime a religious person attempt to use Einstein and science to prop up their ridiculous position, you can be sure they truly understand none of the things they are talking about.

  I dub it Viviane's Law.