Viviane

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  Is this a discussion forum or a debating forum , which is it ?

  by smiddy in

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  do you get confused sometimes whether this site is a discussion forum or a debating forum ?.

  just asking.

  whats your thoughts.. smiddy.

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  Viviane

  The only faith that is uncontested and encouraged here is atheism.

  People here disagree with atheism all the time.Your statement is demonstrably untrue. Nor is atheism a faith of any sort.
  
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  Obama and Muslims

  by Shanagirl1 in

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  in audacity of hope he writes: i will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

  the quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of the audacity of hope.. he couildn't march in solidarity.

  yesterday the "political winds shift" happened.

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  Viviane

  Vivane, Ooh WT style DENIAL; you are clearley 100% blind to this president and his administration.

  Denial? WTF are you talking about? Facts simply show that your claims could not possibly be more wrong or distorted. Not sure why you have an adversity to being less wrong.
  
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  Obama and Muslims

  by Shanagirl1 in

  1. social
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  in audacity of hope he writes: i will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

  the quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of the audacity of hope.. he couildn't march in solidarity.

  yesterday the "political winds shift" happened.

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  Viviane

  In “Audacity of Hope” he writes: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

  Except that's not in any way true.

  "future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."

  Ooh, WT style selective cherry picking! Let's look at the full quote. It's not what you claim, BTW.
  
  The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt – it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted “Muslims, Christians, we are one.” The future must not belong to those who bully women – it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons. The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country’s resources – it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs; workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the men and women that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support.

  Sounds to me like Obama sympathizes with Jihadists.  He had the audacity to utter these words before the UN over the Benghazi video. It's sicikening to think about him in his position as the POTUS

  You are clearly 100% wrong in every conceivable way on these things.
  
  
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  Dating processes why the big differences?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

  this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

  the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

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  Viviane

  This in itself gives this documentary some merit.

  Oh? Please explain specifically and clearly why a documentary by two non-scientist creationist pushing discredited, distorted and proven dishonest pseudoscience deserves any merit.

  Is it being spun to some degree or is the story told with some bias? No doubt. But then we are all adults and can come to our own conclusions.

  Given that all you are doing is pushing credence to pseudoscience and changing the subject as often as you can, not all of us are acting or thinking like adults.
  
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  Dating processes why the big differences?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
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  i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

  this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

  the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

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  Viviane

  Just how "are two non-scientists creationists making standard anti-science and disproved creationist claims" in this video/documentary?

  Hi, have you met Google? If not, Google wanted me to remind you that I'm not your research assistant. She also wanted me to let you know that, if you don't know anything about this video and the people behind it, maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be debating it's merits. That's called an argument from ignorance. Google it!
  
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  Dating processes why the big differences?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

  this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

  the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

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  Viviane

  I dont really care about this documentary even though it was interesting again my question was related to the science of dating material and why there seems to be no consistency in the results.

  The people behind the documentary are creationists with an agenda the requires discrediting known science and evidence.
  
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  Dating processes why the big differences?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

  this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

  the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

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  Viviane

  Ultimately truth wins out but sometimes it can take decades or more. The above documentary is some proof of that IMHO.

  How, specifically, are two non-scientists creationists making standard anti-science and disproven creationist claims proof that mega corporations or governments are distorting science, evidence and hiding the origins of man for profit?
  
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  How would you respond?!?!?

  by DATA-DOG in

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  an eldub recently said, " sure, we have changed many beliefs in the last 100 years, but christendom has had 2,000 years to clean up their act an they haven't done it.".

  this was prompted by today's wt session which mentioned nathan knorr's eager acceptance of rutherford's refinements concerning the 1,260 days.

  of course, he also said that he can't really keep up with everything.

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  Viviane

  So their both poop, just one is more poop? That's a great slogan, "Our religion: Less poop than theirs"
  
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  Dating processes why the big differences?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

  this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

  the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

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  Viviane

  Viviane are you stating that all the dating processes used were manipulated by the makers of the documentary?

  Did I say that?

  Or these guys that dated the material not experts in their field?

  Did I say that?

  I would think if there was a conspiracy by the creators of the show or the ones in it, they would of had some consistency in the dating not the wide range of dating that came out.

  They guys who created the material the documentary is based on are Vedic creationists. Like every other creationist out there pushing an agenda that doesn't comport with reality, they seek to cause confusion. They use outliers or mistakes and distort data to prop up their agenda. Their agenda, BTW, is to push their version of creationism. Consistent scientific results show the opposite of what they want, it's in their interest to have conflicting results. There is no conspiracy, they are simply and utterly misrepresenting data in every way they can.

  Im not sure if this happens at other sites as well but how can any dating science be taken seriously if no two can come up with the same timeline?

  You are being lied to and falling for it.
  
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  Dating processes why the big differences?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

  this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

  the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

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  Viviane

  It shouldn't surprise us that information and even facts can be suppressed by powerful institutions for their own agendas, protecting their "status quo" so to speak.

  Science is rewarded ONLY for changing the status quo. If you think scientists, in general, are interested in preserving the status quo, you've science exactly backwards.
  

  As far as the Brahmic Veda connection, at least it was no where mention in the film and I doubt that can be tied to any of the original archaeologist at the site as a motive for their work.

  The authors of the book and documentary are neither archeologists nor scientists of any kind. Amazing what five minutes on Google can show you.

  Michael A. Cremo (born July 15, 1948), also known by his devotional name Drutakarmā dāsa, is an American freelance researcher who identifies himself as a Vedic creationist and an "alternative archeologist"[1][2][3] and argues that humans have lived on the earth for billions of years

  
  Richard Leslie Thompson, also known as Sadaputa Dasa[4] (February 4, 1947 – September 18, 2008), was an American mathematician,[2][3] author and Gaudiya Vaishnava religious figure, known principally for his promotion of Vedic creationism[5] and as the co-author (with Michael Cremo) of Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race (1993), which has been widely criticised by the scientific community

  One thing for sure is that this site has been shut down by powerful entities who are not concerned about the story these artifacts tell.

  In what way is that "for sure"?