Posts by Viviane

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

I would argue for example, that persons such as yourself have very valid personal reasons for hating religion and for deciding to have nothing to do with it or its sources. However this does not make you unrighteous, and it is not condemning you especially because what you've done, really, is deny the false christs - which is actually what it directs us to do. Any spite you feel toward the bible is not without reason, and is because of those people.

Would you mind NOT telling other people what they think and why? They (we) are perfectly capable of explaining it ourselves.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

I will say I believe Jesus was the messiah, that he willingly took this role, and that he died and was raised to heaven.
I also believe that something bad will likely happen to those who have assumed the role of a messenger or Christ, as per Jesus stating it would.
And that all religions following a man today are false.
In the end, what I believe, is that people like you and I and others here who have renounced our religions because of their clear hypocrisies and lies will be saved, as well as all those who are in the religions honestly trying to find truth, as well as all those whomever else the judge finds is a good and righteous person, regardless of any errors they may have made.

So, you say you have renounced religion but believe in Jesus as the Messiah, punishment from heaven, Jesus being raised up, etc. In what sense are you not Christian and operating with confirmation bias? You are starting from the position of "I believe this, let me find things to prove it" rather than the position of "Is there any evidence that would make me believe this?"

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

So, what, specifically, do you believe about the Bible? That it contains truth? Some truth, all truth? That's it's a collection of interesting stories? What specific truth did Mohammed teach about the Bible? Do you believe Adam literally existed and that angels literally exist and bowed to him?

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

JD, do you believe in the Bible? That is was inspired by God? If so, in what sense do you believe in the Bible? Literally? That it contains truth but not history? Good ideas?

I ask this because I am trying to figure out your point. Why are you defending the Quran and the Bible but not the Book of Mormon? On what grounds? What is your reasoning or basis for this?

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Devolution, not evolution

by abiather in

scientists discovered an organism that has not evolved in more than 2 billion years (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150203104131.htm) .

one can dismiss this as an exception*!

yet overwhelming proofs are too obvious to miss if we take the community as an individual (community is the reflection of the behavior pattern of the individuals that make up the whole).

Viviane

Question is not about the poetic word play. It's about the designer behind the earth which is much more than a home fitted with everything we need not just for our sustenance but for our enjoyment!

There is no evidence of a designer of the earth.

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Devolution, not evolution

by abiather in

scientists discovered an organism that has not evolved in more than 2 billion years (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150203104131.htm) .

one can dismiss this as an exception*!

yet overwhelming proofs are too obvious to miss if we take the community as an individual (community is the reflection of the behavior pattern of the individuals that make up the whole).

Viviane

Flying machine without using the air-polluting fuel is not a matter to be laughed at.

I agree, we need science to develop one.

If we remove the alphabet “t” from the word PLANET, we have the word PLANE

If we remove the "e" we have plant! So what?

You and the entire humanity are aboard on this PLANE called earth, and it is flying at a speed of 30 km per second, i.e., 1,08,000 km per hour! [At this speed, the distance to the moon can be covered in just four hours]

Earth is not a plane. It's falling, actually, not flying. Everything you wrote is factually and demonstrably wrong.

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Devolution, not evolution

by abiather in

scientists discovered an organism that has not evolved in more than 2 billion years (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150203104131.htm) .

one can dismiss this as an exception*!

yet overwhelming proofs are too obvious to miss if we take the community as an individual (community is the reflection of the behavior pattern of the individuals that make up the whole).

Viviane

My point is that there never never evolution of beings

You started out well....but then derped the derpiest derp I've ever seen derped.

...i has always been a Good Start by God, then deterioration brought out by humans...
Sanskrit word Chumbak Mani (literally translated as the ‘jewel that attracts’) is equivalent to what the modern term SEMICONDUCTOR-MAGNET implie...
... is reported to have synthesized Chumbak Mani by calcining and melting 14 exotic ingredients including buffalo horn and mercury at 1,200° C!

You're demonstrating some interesting congnitive dissonance, both complaining about science, but using science to show how science is not that great.

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Devolution, not evolution

by abiather in

scientists discovered an organism that has not evolved in more than 2 billion years (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150203104131.htm) .

one can dismiss this as an exception*!

yet overwhelming proofs are too obvious to miss if we take the community as an individual (community is the reflection of the behavior pattern of the individuals that make up the whole).

Viviane

One can dismiss this as an exception*!

It actually helps to prove evolution is true.

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Christian bakery ordered to pay $150 000 to gay couple

by cofty in

an oregon bakery that refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage has lost its appeal..... the judge has ordered 'sweet cakes by melissa' to pay $150 000 damages to rachel and laurel bowman-cryer.. discrimination is illegal, and religious superstition is not an excuse.

how long before jws land in court under similar circumstances?.

Viviane

It's a modified version of a quote from The Princess Bride, "You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen"

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Christian bakery ordered to pay $150 000 to gay couple

by cofty in

an oregon bakery that refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage has lost its appeal..... the judge has ordered 'sweet cakes by melissa' to pay $150 000 damages to rachel and laurel bowman-cryer.. discrimination is illegal, and religious superstition is not an excuse.

how long before jws land in court under similar circumstances?.

Viviane

And yes, there was a recent court case where the KKK won a lawsuit against a bakery that wouldn't bake them a cake because it offended the owner's religious beliefs. Google it. That is a specious (that means the argument/statement sounds reasonable but is actually woo (yes, I stole Viviane’s word – deal with it) with a bow on it) argument.

First, that's not my word. You've taken what I rightfully stole;)

Secondly, wow, I had not realized the KKK won that lawsuit. On the one hand, that amazes me. On the other hand, it was won in Georgia, where non-discriminatory Jesus always loses to KKK Jesus, so I am not THAT surprised.