Viviane

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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  Viviane

  Wrong. Every other christian would tell you to enjoy hell and say hi to a relative they hate.

  Wrong again. Not all Christians would say that. You are just like every other preaching Christian. 

  just because I will not allow a statement to go uncorrected doesn't mean I care whether or not the person accepts the reality of what the book says

  The Koran and Bible preach hate and death. You disagreeing because you think you are different doesn't change that plain and obvious fact. 

  I have not pressed my views on anyone and in fact took steps to avoid it.

  To the contrary, you've not only pressed your views, you've argued for how they are different and, when presented with evidence showing your bias, wrong views and dishonesty when representing others views, complained about it. 

  With all due respect to all of you, if you don't want to hear an opposing view, then keep yours to yourself. Not everyone will agree with you, and you just have to deal with it.

  Look in the mirror and repeat that to yourself.

  But viv, you do in fact back pedal and reverse yiur stand and say people said things they didn't and that you didn't when you did and it's exhausting and aggravating. So let's you and I just stay away from each other once it is clear we cannot agree- and here we will not. 

  Interesting fiction. You've yet to show a single example of that, so fiction it shall remain.  You are free to avoid any challenge to your belief if you wish. I, however, have no such need to shrink away from reality. You're agreement is wholly indifferent to reality existing.

   I do not appreciate being slandered as interpreting scriptures my own way as I do not do this - I take them as they are and put a lot of effort into placing them in their proper context to understand their cultural references and the events that surrounded them. I do not just say they mean whatever I want, because if I did that I'd still be a JW and I am not. 

  That's exactly what every other Christian does. Basically you are saying "Those fake Christians try to tell you what the Bible says and they are wrong! Now, let me tell you what the Bible says." 

  You are the exact same as every other Christian, you just can't admit it.
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  Viviane

  Wrong. im not doing this with you again. Your putting words in my mouth, I positioned the verses TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

  According to you, those verses speak for themselves (and happen to agree with you). I put no words in your mouth. You claim they speak for themselves and then tell us what they mean. You are the same an every other preaching christian.
  
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. beliefs

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  Viviane

  I wasn't going to respond to this thread anymore, but I will respond to this. I have not promoted any view of Jesus except specifically, word for word, what the bible and Quran say about him

  That is EXACTLY my point. You've not promoted Jesus except when you have and what you feel the Bible and other scripture says about him according to you. Welcome to being exactly like every other Christian in the world.
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. beliefs

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  Viviane

  I'm not sure how Ive preached to anyone

  You are promoting your version of Jesus. Every Christian does that. You are picking the parts you like and ignoring the rest and telling us they've got it all wrong while telling us your version is right. That's pretty much exactly what Christianity is...

  every muslim scholar agrees that the koran denies that Jesus was crucified

  How many is every?
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

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  Viviane

  I would argue for example, that persons such as yourself have very valid personal reasons for hating religion and for deciding to have nothing to do with it or its sources. However this does not make you unrighteous, and it is not condemning you especially because what you've done, really, is deny the false christs - which is actually what it directs us to do. Any spite you feel toward the bible is not without reason, and is because of those people. 

  Would you mind NOT telling other people what they think and why? They (we) are perfectly capable of explaining it ourselves. 
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

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  Viviane

  I will say I believe Jesus was the messiah, that he willingly took this role, and that he died and was raised to heaven.
   I also believe that something bad will likely happen to those who have assumed the role of a messenger or Christ, as per Jesus stating it would.
  And that all religions following a man today are false.
  In the end, what I believe, is that people like you and I and others here who have renounced our religions because of their clear hypocrisies and lies will be saved, as well as all those who are in the religions honestly trying to find truth, as well as all those whomever else the  judge finds is a good and righteous person, regardless of any errors they may have made. 

  So, you say you have renounced religion but believe in Jesus as the Messiah, punishment from heaven, Jesus being raised up, etc. In what sense are you not Christian and operating with confirmation bias? You are starting from the position of "I believe this, let me find things to prove it" rather than the position of "Is there any evidence that would make me believe this?"
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

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  Viviane

  So, what, specifically, do you believe about the Bible? That it contains truth? Some truth, all truth? That's it's a collection of interesting stories? What specific truth did Mohammed teach about the Bible? Do you believe Adam literally existed and that angels literally exist and bowed to him?
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  The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

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  Viviane

  JD, do you believe in the Bible? That is was inspired by God? If so, in what sense do you believe in the Bible? Literally? That it contains truth but not history? Good ideas? 

  I ask this because I am trying to figure out your point. Why are you defending the Quran and the Bible but not the Book of Mormon? On what grounds? What is your reasoning or basis for this?
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  Devolution, not evolution

  by abiather in

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  scientists discovered an organism that has not evolved in more than 2 billion years (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150203104131.htm) .

  one can dismiss this as an exception*!

  yet overwhelming proofs are too obvious to miss if we take the community as an individual (community is the reflection of the behavior pattern of the individuals that make up the whole).

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  Viviane

  Question is not about the poetic word play. It's about the designer behind the earth which is much more than a home fitted with everything we need not just for our sustenance but for our enjoyment!

  There is no evidence of a designer of the earth. 
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  Devolution, not evolution

  by abiather in

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  scientists discovered an organism that has not evolved in more than 2 billion years (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150203104131.htm) .

  one can dismiss this as an exception*!

  yet overwhelming proofs are too obvious to miss if we take the community as an individual (community is the reflection of the behavior pattern of the individuals that make up the whole).

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  Viviane

  Flying machine without using the air-polluting fuel is not a matter to be laughed at.

  I agree, we need science to develop one. 

  If we remove the alphabet “t” from the word PLANET, we have the word PLANE

  If we remove the "e" we have plant! So what?

  You and the entire humanity are aboard on this PLANE called earth, and it is flying at a speed of 30 km per second, i.e., 1,08,000 km per hour! [At this speed, the distance to the moon can be covered in just four hours]

  Earth is not a plane. It's falling, actually, not flying. Everything you wrote is factually and demonstrably wrong.