Posts by Viviane

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

You're seriously being a huge hypocrite here. Just a few pages back you were harping on me for supposedly telling people why they think and feel things, and saying only I have the proper understanding of what the books are saying, even though I never said that...
But here you are ACTUALLY saying what you accused me of, and saying all who disagree with you are dishonest! Lol wonderful. I feel like maybe you're entire account on this forum exists for satire, that would make sense. I can never tell satire from seriousness.

You are claiming other Christians are wrong, the Bible and Koran do command murder, genocide, rape, abortion and slavery and 2+2 DOES = 5.

Perhaps the issue is that satire, logical and fallacy don't mean what you think they do.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

Comparing something open to interpretation and unprovable to math, which is a closed fact that is not open to interpretation, is a logical fallacy.

Pretending the repeatedly plain language and multitudes of commands to kill and rape aren't reality is dishonest.

and I won't even pay the rest of your post the courtesy of being read if we are resorting to such faulty reasonings.

No one is forcing you to deny reality and obvious facts and admit you're open to domestic violence.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

Yes it is, because HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people interpret it to mean the exact opposite of what you do. I'd say your outnumbered viv.

Hundreds of millions people claiming 2+2=5 doesn't make it true. Claiming the Bible and Koran don't endorse and command murder is also not true. It is obvious. A fact. Demonstrable and provable. Claiming otherwise is denying reality. Whatever you or anyone else says about it is irrelevant to the reality of it.

It is not saying, "hit your wife to remind her of her place." You are all the ones being intellectually dishonest because you WANT the Quran to be the reason for these terrible things, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THESE BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

I've never made any of those claims nor asked that question. Let's stick to reality, please don't pretend other people said this, they did not.

You said you would hit your wife and said it was normal human behavior.

The truth is, sometimes there is no reason, sometimes people just want to hurt others. THAT is reality, and YOU aren't accepting it.

I am well aware the people are shitty. Endorsing a book and a religion that promotes the shittiest of the shit behavior is not a good idea. It brings us back to the question of why anyone would listen promotion of shitty ideas.

This is also why I love dogs. They tend to be shitty at a far lower rate than people.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

Thats just your interpretation. You have no way of proving your interpretation is correct.

I wonder if you realize how ridiculous it makes people look when they desperately deny reality.

Also, it's not an interpretation. Your holy book that you endorse and approve of literally commands and encourages rape, murder, slavery, genocide, misogyny and abortion. You personally have said you would hit a woman.

The only question is really why Christians in general and you in particular thinks being part of a violent death cult is a good idea and that anything you are saying in favor of it has any value.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

Helping people use rational thinking and evidence to avoid worshipping a moral monster that advocate genocide is never a waste of time.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

Because the only evidence EITHER side has is second hand hearsay.

We have the books. They advocate murder, rape, abortion, genocide, misogyny, slavery and theft.

You believe in the chief messenger and figure in that gushing, neverending bloodbath. Your own words in this thread confirm it.

Those are obvious, objective facts.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

JD, many books of the Bible were written after the death cults had formed. The prior existence argument holds no water.

Why do you have such a problem is recognizing the obvious? You are a Christian and believe in invisible unrpovable people made of undetectable spirit stuff of unknown composition who was a member of one death cult who founded another death cult promising to murder millions.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

im not talking about the cults, just the books. I've said this I don't know how many times.

The books are about a middle eastern death cult that has evolved into a global death cult. They are inseparable. Saying over and over they are not the same doesn't make it true.

I don't remember his exact words but his point was everybody hears different things and messages from the same thing. I.e., you guys can't separate the cults from their books so you keep saying I'm defending islam or talking about Muslims or Christians and while I have mentioned them on the side the thrust of my comments was concerning the books not the people.

I've never said any of that. It's a death cult, that's what the books are about. You've denied that you are religious and then said you believe in Jesus, punishment from heaven, the Messiah and said other Christians have it wrong.

You're trying to make a distinction without a difference. Goose/gander.

Lets just let it be, we are beating a dead horse here. If you've all read these books and think they say something different than I do, and are ok with this and believe you are 100% right and there's no room for doubt you got it wrong then there's no point in further discussion

If you don't want to discuss your death cult of choice, you are free to stop posting on a discussion board.

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Bible is true in some vital matters!

by abiather in

while there are many interpolations in the bible (such as john 3:13 .... .. ) which can be ignored, there are very meaningful verses too in the bible such as ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9 which states: man has authority over another to his detriment, they have no comforter; power was on the side of their oppressors..

let us make a comparison of humans (in general) with lower beings, or even with inanimate things!

many people earn, spend, sleep, and finally go into the deep sleep of death, which is no way better than that of a stone or any animate being, which remains unaware of its self, origin, objective of life, final destination and macrocosmic surroundings.

Viviane

Scientists are now almost in the final stage of developing full-fledged, autonomous Artificial Intelligence (AI) that could probably spell the end of the human race, fears even Stephen Hawking!

Utter untrue drivel.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Viviane

This is the most utterly ridiculous argument about the most nonsensical thing ever. You could be helping other people and making the world a better place instead of arguing about a middle eastern death cult.