Posts by Viviane

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Asshole Atheism – Not for me, now or ever.

by donny in

to start off with let me clarify that by asshole atheism i am not referring to strong atheism or any other type of upfront atheism.

what i am referring to is the belligerent, hateful atheism that smacks of trolls and other types who want to derail conversation or comments at any cost..

i enjoy hearing comments from both sides of the subjects of theism, nationalism or politics, especially from those who have intense opinions.

Viviane

Now one of them will indignantly tell me atheism is not a religion and therefore people cannot be converted to it. Lol. A singular lack of interest in the arts makes some incapable of understanding the use of poetic licence as an art form.

Do you have a specific example of someone indignantly pointing out this truth and being incapable of understanding poetic license?

In my normal life outside this forum I never discuss religion or faith at all - unless I bump into JWs with their trolleys. However this is a religious discussion forum. It is a place explicitly for the purpose of exploring matters of belief.

That is also true of me, but living in a very religious area and having fou churches within six blocks of my house means religions comes up quite a bit in situations where it has no real particular place. I usually try to decline the conversation a few times and if they persist, then proceed in asking questions about the BIble and their blood cult until they angrily tell me I am going to hell (whereas in the beginning they only wanted to politely tell me I was going to hell).

At least they won't bother me again.

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Asshole Atheism – Not for me, now or ever.

by donny in

to start off with let me clarify that by asshole atheism i am not referring to strong atheism or any other type of upfront atheism.

what i am referring to is the belligerent, hateful atheism that smacks of trolls and other types who want to derail conversation or comments at any cost..

i enjoy hearing comments from both sides of the subjects of theism, nationalism or politics, especially from those who have intense opinions.

Viviane

I guess that depends on how insulted you feel about stuff you don't believe in by people that don't care about you. Sticks and stones IMO.

Insulted? Most people have no idea what real insults are. Those that can't swim in the deep end shouldn't jump in the pool.

But I don't think that person is indicative of all believers.

All believer, by definition, believe in things with out evidence, leading us to...

And even though they believe in something I don't, as long as no harm is done and we all go about our lives, who cares?

Religion often has harm on in it's name, particularly when religious beliefs are allowed to penetrate secular law and society. We are all better off for having our beliefs challenged and not being allowed with getting away with saying terrible things in the name of love. This planet is ours and our children's garden, if you don't tend it, you've no right to complain about the weeds.

For you. For others, perhaps it's different.

Only until they try that on me. Then it's absolutely no different.

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If this isn't the truth, then what is our hope?

by Gigi2121 in

i'm new here but not new to researching and questioning the jw beliefs.

i have quite a story.... one that's been haunting me for awhile... but first, i'd like to hear what people have to say about this topic question, please.. -gigi.

Viviane

Go live a great life.

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Asshole Atheism – Not for me, now or ever.

by donny in

to start off with let me clarify that by asshole atheism i am not referring to strong atheism or any other type of upfront atheism.

what i am referring to is the belligerent, hateful atheism that smacks of trolls and other types who want to derail conversation or comments at any cost..

i enjoy hearing comments from both sides of the subjects of theism, nationalism or politics, especially from those who have intense opinions.

Viviane

Interestingly, people of faith can say things like "I hope you enjoy the heat" or "You'll wish you had believed when you're in hell" and totally get away with it 100%, simply because someone doesn't believe in God. They can literally tell someone they will be tortured in fire for eternity and it's considered a kindness.

However, that say person being told "I think religion and belief in invisible creatures is stupid" is somehow persecution and the person telling them is an asshole.

Yeah, not how it works.

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First law of thermodynamics vs God vs Big Bang

by EndofMysteries in

first law of thermodynamics, that energy cannot be created or destroyed but changed from one form to another.

how does that fit in with god and the big bang to you?

does it make one make more sense then the other to you?

Viviane

I have several questions. They are not rhetorical.

Seriously, every question you asked can be answered via youtube videos by actual physicists and books.

What is with people coming onto forums and declaring "that can't be true because I don't understand it!" when they've done absolutely no work whatsoever to learn anything about it?

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First law of thermodynamics vs God vs Big Bang

by EndofMysteries in

first law of thermodynamics, that energy cannot be created or destroyed but changed from one form to another.

how does that fit in with god and the big bang to you?

does it make one make more sense then the other to you?

Viviane

Imagine the characters instead of being pre programmed with what they would do, they had very high AI and were able to learn, become self aware, and make choices, etc. You would be the God of that world.

Imagine you saw the matrix, or ever heard of a virus or man in the middle attacks or elevated priviledge attacks. Had you knowledge of any of those things you would know there is no "God of that world" in computing.

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"Scientist Discover Atheists Might Not Exist..." "This is not a Joke!"

by JWCart in

crofty can you please break this article and main points down for the average individuals to understand, i found this article and thought of you, thought you might be interested in this topic too.

i don't fully understand it, can you please help us, you are our "resident expert" on this topic!

will you please break it down for us as to what it means and how it affects us brains?

Viviane

From what I understand, the findings had not been confirmed when the announcement was made and the scientists working on it were transparent about it. Upon further scrutiny, the waves were actually dust. Thankfully, the "retraction" barely registered in the media.

So... science worked exactly as expected.

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Excited about the CO visit

by StarTrekAngel in

during the many years of being a jw, i could never really bring myself to be exited about the co's visit.

this has been an issue that always kept me wondering back to religions.

why could not feel the same happiness that made everyone around me cry during the sunday service?

Viviane

Ugh, the CO visit. Glad I no longer have to deal with any of that in any way.

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First law of thermodynamics vs God vs Big Bang

by EndofMysteries in

first law of thermodynamics, that energy cannot be created or destroyed but changed from one form to another.

how does that fit in with god and the big bang to you?

does it make one make more sense then the other to you?

Viviane

In court, an attorney can use any statement or written information and use it to show what he represents it to mean or what he concludes it means as it favors his theory but an analytical reader is impartial and his objective is to understand the author.

Yes. All evidence points to the Bible not being science book or sciency or reconciling with science in any meaningful way.

Regarding YOUR conclusion that the Bible and Science do not reconcile is a very B ROAD statement. It is quite a burden to prove what you have stated.

That's no more my conclusion that the fact that it's Monday in NYC as I write this. It's simply the observable facts.

But my post is not about that nor is any desire that I have shown to learn more about theories or to examine scientific evidence relating to HOW (to quote the PHD) the universe was formed, a concession that God does not exist.

Yeah, that's I said. You're arguing but agreeing with me. Weird.

I refer you to re-read the theme of this thread as it relates to my post. Also, I am only expressing how I think. I am not trying to persuade you to see things my way.

No thanks, I've already read your comments.

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God does exist here is my nonbiblical reason:

by Curious Kitten in

(before you read i hope no one gets offended by the word retarted...that s how i thought when i was 13)my mom and dad are divorced and my father never helped my mother on raising us, so basically she was a single-mother.

he just abandoned my three brothers and me and my mother had to work two jobs all of the time so we never got to see her.

when we did see her it was after school, but all she did was yell at us, make food, and leave to her next job.

Viviane

He's written a book called "The Spirit Molecule", and a documentary film of the same name has been made. This is all peer reviewed science.... no new age mumbo jumbo

Books and documentaries aren't peer reviewed science.

I will say that it seems that god's natural language is silence and everything else has been a bad translation.

I am absolutely stealing that line.