Posts by Viviane

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First law of thermodynamics vs God vs Big Bang

by EndofMysteries in

first law of thermodynamics, that energy cannot be created or destroyed but changed from one form to another.

how does that fit in with god and the big bang to you?

does it make one make more sense then the other to you?

Viviane

I think that "all the evidence points to" that I have finally made my point to you on that.
That is all that I mean by that.

I've no idea what your point is, so, no... not really...

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How to get my kids out

by SaneAgain in

i've been disfellowshipped for about 5 years and extremely happy to be out.

my ex wife is still a regular meeting attender and takes our two young kids with her (8 and 6 years old).

i recently saw some of the caleb and sophia videos on the jw.org website and was completely appalled, i remember what i was taught as a kid growing up in the organization but this seems so much worse and now that i'm out i can plainly see the mind control.

Viviane

I want to emphasize what everyone said about critical thinking skills and being a good parent. I have been DFed for about 5 years, my children are teenager and almost teenager. I focused at first on being a good parent. When they were worried that I was going to die at Armageddon I simply said "I'm not going anywhere for now, let's deal with that when Armageddon comes."

I took them to movies, made sure that at least on either Saturday or Sunday morning, instead of service and meetings, we went out for a pancake breakfast or to the park or on a hike, something fun but always wasn't "bad" in the JW eyes.

I also let them watch a few things they couldn't in their father's JW house, letting them know I had no problem with it and when they are at my house, I have my rules and their father has his BUT that doesn't mean they run wild and do whatever they want.

I also taught them critical thinking, a love of science and learning and how to play the "what is more likely" game. We used critical thinking figure out why other religions are crackpots and slowly applied that to Bible in general. Once we were at that point, the bottom fell out for any hope their father had of them being JWs.

They've seen LoTR, The Hobbit, Nightmare Before Christmas, The Walking Dead, have had and been to birthday parties, etc.

Remove the fear JWs instill and replace it with love and knowledge.

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Leave truth - catch AIDS???

by JEMIMAH in

jw
friends

we had a laugh last weekend at our s.a.dthe visiting speaker was from the london bethel (bcm)during the last talk he was trying to encourage the bros not to read non society lit.

the example he uses was of a m/s bro who used to really study his wtwell for a sunday, however he occasionally used secular sources to back up his research.. our bethel speaker in order to prove how wrong this was explained very quickly that because of this secular research, "this brother fell away and caught aids".

the brothers and sisters in the audience where very shocked at the folly of our ex-brother.

Viviane

I heard the AIDS story in the 80s from a CO, heard the angel story, Sister Payne, etc..

Also heard one about a pioneer couple who had no food but, instead of deciding to work for money that day, decided to go out in service. On their way home they saw a grocery sack that had fallen out of a truck or car with meat, vegetable, bread, etc! Praise Jah!

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Sketches of Revelation, this and that

by TerryWalstrom in

i've been rummaging around on bart ehrman's blog and such and managed to distill six cogent views about.

the book of revelation, i thought i share for whatever it is worth.

1. parts of the book of revelation could scarcely be explained if it were written by jesus own disciple, john.

Viviane

I particularly like the idea that the text cannot mean to us what it could not have meant to them. I often, when they insist on trying to tell me I am going to hell, challenge them to tell me which Bible prophecy specifically came true. I have done that on the forum and, when they constantly mention the UN, Obama, WWII, etc., I point out that is THEM saying it means that, the "prophecy" doesn't say anything of the sort. When they mention Jerusalem being destroyed, I mention that the Bible doesn't say when or by whom, they are adding that, all the "prophecy" is doing is saying that something that happened before would happen again DURING a time a rebellion was going on (assuming it was written prior to the events described, which there is no proof for).

Bart Earhman is fantastic.

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Greatest Proof for evolution!

by abiather in

2014 was the worst year ever for terrorism: u.s. intel chief (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wrost-year-global-terrorism-2014-article-1.2130490).

terror attacks reached their highest number in 2014 since 45 years of its history.

in the first nine months of 2014, there were 13,000 terror acts that killed some 31,000 people!

Viviane

Google doesn't say 160 years x 31 is not 4960 years [When common sense can answer this, why turn into google?]
I would always prefer to live in a time-period when water and air are not polluted.

Abiather, stay focused. What are Delta waves, how do they facilitate communicating with god, how does turning off your mind help with this? How does turning off your senses help? What is the method of communication?

Difficult questions you must answer if you expect to be taken seriously.

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First law of thermodynamics vs God vs Big Bang

by EndofMysteries in

first law of thermodynamics, that energy cannot be created or destroyed but changed from one form to another.

how does that fit in with god and the big bang to you?

does it make one make more sense then the other to you?

Viviane

I think that I have shown, that only an author actually knows what he means.

No one is arguing that. It is simply that it's up to the author to convey that using words with commonly accepted definitions and, where no, clearly state what you mean, otherwise you are causing and inviting confusion. If you choose not to clearly state what you mean and decide to attempt to re-define words with no good reason, you will, of course, be challenged on it.

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Greatest Proof for evolution!

by abiather in

2014 was the worst year ever for terrorism: u.s. intel chief (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wrost-year-global-terrorism-2014-article-1.2130490).

terror attacks reached their highest number in 2014 since 45 years of its history.

in the first nine months of 2014, there were 13,000 terror acts that killed some 31,000 people!

Viviane

This provides proofs for evolution in various ways:

Saying something is proof doesn't make it actually so.

Go preach your nonsense somewhere else, please. Speaking of your nonsense, you've still not explained Delta waves, how they help you get in touch with God, what your God is made of, how stopping thinking allows you to connect with God, etc.

Before you start on other connections, I would appreciate it if you can, specifically, explain how any of this works.

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First law of thermodynamics vs God vs Big Bang

by EndofMysteries in

first law of thermodynamics, that energy cannot be created or destroyed but changed from one form to another.

how does that fit in with god and the big bang to you?

does it make one make more sense then the other to you?

Viviane

I reserve the right to mean what ever I want in what I write and I will not be bound to mean what anyone says I mean.

You can, of course, mean whatever you want with what you write. You cannot, however, decide to change words to mean what you want when they don't. You are bound by, you know, the words you choose to use.

If you choose to not make any sense, you will be (as you have been) challenged on that.

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First law of thermodynamics vs God vs Big Bang

by EndofMysteries in

first law of thermodynamics, that energy cannot be created or destroyed but changed from one form to another.

how does that fit in with god and the big bang to you?

does it make one make more sense then the other to you?

Viviane

Many claim this is all covered and easily understood by reading a basic 8th grade science book or something similar.

If by "many" you mean "no one at all ever", then yes.

I didn't know we had so many PhD Physicists on this board.

You learn something new every day.

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First law of thermodynamics vs God vs Big Bang

by EndofMysteries in

first law of thermodynamics, that energy cannot be created or destroyed but changed from one form to another.

how does that fit in with god and the big bang to you?

does it make one make more sense then the other to you?

Viviane

Seems to me that your latest post show that you have learned "something" from the dialogue posted on this Forum

How to spot trolls?