do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?
well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.
they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.
Go to a childrens hospital and find some 4 to 8 year old little girl with a terrible ailment caused by birth defects or some terrible disease.
We have some posters here saying there is value in child rape. That's the kind of thinking "because Jesus" leads you to.
i remember studying this book years ago and how it impacted my belief system.
i no longer believe the bible is god's word.
however i do have a couple of lingering questions on this subject.
I'm with you Tenacious. Too many coincidences. You can add DNA to that list. DNA works just like computer programming.
This tells me you know neither how DNA works nor a computer program.
i remember studying this book years ago and how it impacted my belief system.
i no longer believe the bible is god's word.
however i do have a couple of lingering questions on this subject.
How about the Coriolis effect which allows for rest and night/day?
Huh? Do you actually know that the earth rotates?
Why is a hole perfectly shaped for the puddle that forms in it?
do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?
well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.
they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.
you have to believe. not study, but believe. You see, studying so called evidence takes nothing from you to do. You just open a book and let your eyes twirl. Having faith takes the integrity mixed with your inner power.
Oh, my mistake. I didn't realize you were advocating being dumber to believe in God. Hippolytus you are not.
do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?
well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.
they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.
Now I would like to invite everyone on this forum to wake up and open your eyes to see that God is true and real. For he is God the Lord. The creator and ruler of all. As the scrolls say: "But as ye God is trueth, our wordeth toward you was not yea and nay."
God is real, indeed. I pray you wake as well.
This Book is not to be doubted.... As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.
Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10;
Wait, you were talking about Allah, right? The one true God? Because if not, I've no idea what infidel religion you are talking about.
do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?
well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.
they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.
Do you want to know why I think people don't believe in God? Well I believe people don't want to believe in God because they are scared.
You asked if we wanted to know and then said your erroneous belief. Are you confusing "belief" with "fact"?
who told you that the world should be free from suffering?.
do you find any value in suffering?.
do you think it is possible to experience all the beauty and goodness and pleasure the world offers without also experiencing the bad?
If you think about it, a world without world suffering would be nonsensical. Let me put it this way, you can't know light if there never was darkness. In the same manner you couldn't know suffering without happiness.
So, can a child enjoy NOT being raped without having been raped?
who told you that the world should be free from suffering?.
do you find any value in suffering?.
do you think it is possible to experience all the beauty and goodness and pleasure the world offers without also experiencing the bad?
its like you two are having a conversation with yourselves - so now who believes in imaginary beings? Caedes and viv
You're the one who thinks child rape has value.
fyi, Viviane, that is called a "straw man" argument ......... I leave it to YOU to figure it out.
It's actually not at all a straw man argument. I'm not sad you've left.
the reasoning seems to follow the line that if you are not with us then you must be against us and if you are against us you must be a theist. I'm more surprised that Caedes seems to be adopting this line of thought than viv.
You've claimed suffering has value. You've been asked if that means child rape has value. You've said it can produce valuable things.
Please tell me which part of your argument I've misrepresented.
here is what viv accuses me of and I thought i was being very clear that I am not arguing this at all
That's exactly 100% what you are arguing.
as to viv's arguments if she had followed my pov without bias then she would clearly see that I am actually arguing the opposite of what she accuses me of here as i am most definitely not arguing that there is value in suffering itself although little socrates may be arguing from that pov.
You've literally said that there was value in suffering, meaning there is value in child rape. Are you now NOT claiming that? How do you mostly not argue it? I've accused you of nothing. I merely state your position and argument.
why didn't jesus ever write anything?
why are there no letters to jesus?
no painting of jesus from that time?
Thanks for the research Viv.
Extra-biblical testimony to Jesus is a lie that christians keep telling each other.
Thanks Cofty. So it would appear.
why didn't jesus ever write anything?
why are there no letters to jesus?
no painting of jesus from that time?
Off to an Easter party now, I'll get back to this tomorrow. Good debate though.
It's not a debate! You've made a lot of claims that don't hold up under even minimal scrutiny.
Have fun at your party!
