Posts by Viviane

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Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

by Viviane in

several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

Viviane

Viv, you made me laugh out loud! Love your wit.

Thank you!

Most people consider themselves honest as long as they refuse to acknowledge they're lying. Its the admission of being wrong that they consider dishonest.
In the same way, as long as they never admit they're being cruel, they consider themselves loving.

Interesting point, one I've not considered....

The very definition of belief implies there is no proof. Believers cannot quite their head around this fact in of itself, hence why the endless questions of "what is belief", questions predicated on "for those who believe in evolution", etc. It is almost as if belief is a requirement of something being factual to believers. It is almost impossible to debate someone who is not defining the very meaning of the term the same way, but that is another story...

That has become obvious is recent weeks....

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Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

by Viviane in

several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

Viviane

I hate when people spew philosophy and pretend they are doing it in the name of a scientific debate. This thread is nothing but pointless fluff

No one ever said this was a scientific debate. It was a question about why religious people pretend to know things they can't possibly know.

For instance, you clearly don't know what this thread is about, but pretend you do.

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When I'm Feeling Godless

by freemindfade in

my few of my favorite anti-god, anti-religion, anti-jw vibe music.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtgkrcxybsm.

...you're such an inspiration for the ways .

that i'll never ever choose to be .

Viviane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kspPE9E1yGM

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Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

by Viviane in

several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

Viviane

How much extra for high-heels and fishnets? I've a thing for them too.

Free if you bring your own, 2% upcharge if I have to provide them. Also, I'll need to know what size you wear.

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Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

by Viviane in

several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

Viviane

Then I read this exchange between him and Viviane and realised he meant to send it to her.

Oh, please send it to me, then. Also, spanking costs extra, how rude of him to assume!

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Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

by Viviane in

several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

Viviane

Your argument is biased, and does not account for all the murders and blood spilled that man has done in just developing one weapon of mass destruction. Take the nuclear bomb that was developed to drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Do you realize how many lives were sacrificed in the name of science to test and develop that weapon?

What does any of this have to do with religious people pretending to know things they don't?

Which is a sanitized way of saying they had a belief and subsequentfaith that it would result in proving their initial calculations. But even with all the scientific methods they employ, they were incorrect, as they would not have misled the residents initially.

What does any of this have to do with religious people pretending to know things they don't?

Also, do understand that faith is not unjustified belief, you could not be more incorrect on this matter and would do well to realize that the science in which you “believe” is based on theory and hypothesis, and there are many unproven postulates an all areas of scientific study.

You clearly don't understand science, so I would question why you pretend to do so.

My point is that somehow having a theological view got entwined with ignorance and an illogical thought processes. This is quite frankly offensive.

You take offense at reality, then.

I do not pontificate illogical unreasonable conclusions.

The posts you've made here prove otherwise.

And when we are discussing the origins of the universe and life, I am sorry but at the end of the day, science (actually the political) answer to the question is just as silly as that of a creationist. We are all hypnotizing and looking to prove them.

Another case of proving you've no idea what you are talking about.

I sincerely hope you don’t need faith to believe in that the next vaccination or inoculation you need to get, because the fact is you surely do, especially when you do not know the outcome. You may have some idea based on statistical analysis, but there is no guarantee or assuredness, and that my friend is still blind faith.

And as is sadly typical, theists end with attempting to equate their non-sense with actual knowledge and tell other people what they think and totally get words wrong on what they mean.

You've just proven that you are illogical and ignorant (meaning "lacking knowledge") on the subject you write on. You may find that offensive, but it's objective reality.

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No more eating children with the rod??

by paulmolark in

so a friend of mine who is still in and knows i am disassociated sent me an email saying the following, "hey, did you see the new article about disciplining your children?????

there is not one single outright mention of beating your kids anymore.

no mention of the r"rod of discipline"!

Viviane

I never beat or hit my children.

Weird. I beat your kids all the time. ;)

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'Clergy' and 'Ordained Ministers'

by OrphanCrow in

what i can't seem reconcile are the concepts of 'clergy' and 'ordained minister'.. the wts has consistently won legal battles, specifically in cases involving military exemption, by making the claim that each and every baptized jw is an 'ordained minister'.

and, they bolstered this label with the assertion that 'we do not have a clergy class'.

so, why is that different now in the sex abuse trials that happening right now?

Viviane

M'am, I shall repeat this just once more for your benefit: No issue taken with you here. Aren't we still in 'bury the hatchet' mode?

I dunno, you never said one way or another when I proposed it.

*edited to add* Or, if you did, I missed it, so apologies if I did.

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'Clergy' and 'Ordained Ministers'

by OrphanCrow in

what i can't seem reconcile are the concepts of 'clergy' and 'ordained minister'.. the wts has consistently won legal battles, specifically in cases involving military exemption, by making the claim that each and every baptized jw is an 'ordained minister'.

and, they bolstered this label with the assertion that 'we do not have a clergy class'.

so, why is that different now in the sex abuse trials that happening right now?

Viviane

Yeah, right, you often observe just to enough to mistakenly complain about me.

As I said, figure out what your issue is, cause it ain't me, chief.

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'Clergy' and 'Ordained Ministers'

by OrphanCrow in

what i can't seem reconcile are the concepts of 'clergy' and 'ordained minister'.. the wts has consistently won legal battles, specifically in cases involving military exemption, by making the claim that each and every baptized jw is an 'ordained minister'.

and, they bolstered this label with the assertion that 'we do not have a clergy class'.

so, why is that different now in the sex abuse trials that happening right now?

Viviane

Eden, you really should figure out what your issue is. It's not me, that I can tell you.