Posts by Viviane

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One simple fact about Jesus that MATTERS . .

by nicolaou in

he had a human father.. all those doctrines of redemption, ransom and forgiveness come to nothing in the face of reality.

we need to look after each other..

Viviane

There is an old Portuguese saying: "Before putting head on chopping block, be sure to have a hammer and a ruler in your pocket. First, hit rock with hammer, then use your ruler-if you know."

Do you ever try to make sense?

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Why are people burning their city to the ground in Baltimore? How doe Looting and Mob Violence Help?

by PokerPlayerPhil in

it's hard enough for businesses to enter these areas the government once had to offer up tax breaks to service them.

in watts, california it took decades for city residents to get a grocery store after the thugs burned their businesses to the ground.

you can see the insanity taking place, when you allow mobs and fools to burn building down nothing good comes from it.

Viviane

The 'thugs' of this country have two agendas, 1. Thugs should be allowed to be dressed in thug attire and walk around nice middle and upper class areas or go into malls and areas they intend to rob with hoodies drawn up high without any trouble from police or guards and also able to attack, run away, or not ever be confronted or held accountable.

And yet we hand them, badges, guns and uniforms and pay them. Weird.

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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

by nicolaou in

so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

Viviane

rather than unsubstantiated critique, which contributes nothing*, tackle the points point by point starting with Penrose's detailed 'pre-beginning' work.

So you want me to critique your word salad by starting with Roger Penrose? Why would I do that? That doesn't make any sense.

Roger Penrose has a hypothesis with no proof, a mathematical model (with no observation to back it up) regarding the inflation of the early universe. He thinks that he has found evidence, gravitational wave in the CMBR, that show that time and space existed before the big bang and the universe is going through one of many cycles. One central tenet to his theory is that the late state universe will look very similar to the early universe, meaning particles will decay entirely and lose mass. In Penrose's model, the universe is expanding into existing time and space. It's a controversial and unproven model with many things still not matching observed reality.

So, in your first sentence, you went off the rails. There is no evidence that dark matter fuels expansion. In fact, it's gravitationally attractive and holds things together. Dark matter being absorbed? Absorbed where and by what? No one has even actually detected it yet, so saying it get's absorbed and turned into energy is so off base it's not even wrong.

What are you claiming is the void? If you are relying on Penrose, his hypothesis requires time and space already exist. Is that what you are claiming is the void? What do you mean by that? Nothing? Something? What is latent energy? Virtual fluctuations? Do you perhaps mean vacumn energy and virtual particles? Because those ARE actual things, but not the things you describe. What does any of this have to do with Genesis? Why are you jumbling word salad together and claiming it is fact? Why are you taking Sir Roger Penrose's hypothesis and pretending it is fact?

There is your definition of "NOTHING"

Yes, your word salad was exactly that.

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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

by nicolaou in

so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

Viviane

nicolaou, re: the void the universe expands into, one recent finding has it, that the universe's ACCELERATED expansion is fueled by dark matter that is absorbed as the expansion takes place, new energy coming in all the time, from the void the universe expands into. Latent energy is a property of the void, hence virtual fluctuations preceding the beginning. (Gen1:1 discuuses the beginning of the same physical heavens, wrong though it is.) Please read Sir Roger Penrose, space, time existing before our universe's beginning seriously.

Not one single word of that is in any way a "recent finding" or "biblical". That's just a jumbled nonsensical word salad of physics terms.

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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

by nicolaou in

so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

Viviane

Wow
Pointless boring circular arguments.
You might as well just go in field service. At least you people would get some exercise and fresh air.

Hey, we're trying to help you understand why your arguments are circular, pointless and boring, but we can't MAKE you learn anything.

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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

by nicolaou in

so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

Viviane

.. and although science deals with the obvious, the Bible is about human conduct, the duties that humans have towards one another, towards God, towards all creation, and---accountability that everyone must face,

And the Bible is an example of exactly how to NOT behave. It endorses rape, slavery, murder, abortion, theft and genocide, just to name a few. For instance, if you followed the Bible, you could rape a woman and then buy her from her father. Is that the reality you expect women to face?

Science doesn't deal with the obvious, that is an uneducated and wrong thing to say. It is a method for investigating reality.

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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

by nicolaou in

so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

Viviane

And you're still avoiding it.

"A lot more than you" is the answer to your latest prevarication.

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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

by nicolaou in

so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

Viviane

There are two requirements for providing a sufficient answer on this forum. 1, the time and ability to give an answer that supplies the whole, the complete Biblical understanding along with the scientific theories/parallels which support the Biblical understanding. Such a discussion is found in scholarly literature not forums. 2, the desire to provide an answer for purely entertainment purposes.

Science doesn't support believing in invisible people made of unknown stuff that can't be detected. At all. In any way.

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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

by nicolaou in

so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

Viviane

All that has been shown on this thread is that what those who chose to address the topic contributed (on this small exJW forum) was not, in your opinion, close to being sufficient. That though is not evidence there is no answer that would be sufficient for you. Looking for answers to big fish questions in a small fishbowl ensures no satisfactory answer will be found

No one has provided any answer that doesn't immediately contradict either itself or reality.

In truth, Biblical questions seem to be considered entertainment here not adult discussions. I would recommend all those who believe in God and the Bible to seek other venues for their Bible discussions.

The Bible is entertainment and contains plenty of adult topics, such as tips for menstruating and pooping in hole to properly raping and taking ownership of a woman.

If you want a conversation where everyone feels fantastic at the end because it's little more than a self-referential masturbatory congratulation session with no depth or examination of beliefs as held against reality that culminates in an orgy of prayer, then yes, this forum may not quite fit the bill for that discussion type.

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"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

by nicolaou in

so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

Viviane

Try using your brain before claiming you nose. In other words, use a skinny ruler before opening your mouth.

His opening post never said what you claimed. To support your lie, you decided to use insults. You truly are a perfect Christian.