Viviane

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  Coping With Atheism (Long-ish Post...sorry!)

  by humblepotato in

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  long time lurker (2009-ish), first time poster.

  first of all, i want to say thank you everyone who contributes to these boards and provokes stimulating conversations and thought processes.

  all the opinions and different perspectives are very enlightening.

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  Viviane

  The Bible does not instruct us to anoint people with shampoo.

  No, but it does condone and endorse rape, slavery, genocide, abortion, murder and theft. Your god, but his own standards, is the biggest sinner of all and a bit of a shit weasel.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

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  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Not to start with, Vidiot. The GR would start with mutual respect,empathy and an and allowance for differences because you'd hope they'd take that into consideration when dealing with you. (the GR).
  You can't just skip these general considerations and go leaping straight for the rope!

  If you were following the golden rule, those caveats are completely skippable and in the spirit of the golden rule.

  It's not very golden when you have to add caveat after caveat to make it functional.
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  "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

  by nicolaou in

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  so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

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  Viviane

  It is difficult to deal with these big questions, but if respected theorists work with the idea that time and an ur-space existed prior to our universe's it shows it is within the realm of possibilities.

  It sure is. Please stop stating those things as fact.

  My remark on "dark matter" being absorbed is a honest mistake: I thought and meant to write "Dark Energy" I remember distinctly reading in one of the science journal sites, that the accelerated expansion of the universe, that would require added energy, is fuelled by the Dark Energy of the void that the universe expands into.

  It happens. And yes, the accelerated expansion is fueled by something. A very very unknown something. We've no idea if it being absorbed since we've no actual idea what it is.
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  Polytheism in the Book of Daniel, a late second temple religious document

  by fulltimestudent in

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  as jehovah's witnesses we committed ourselves to a blind belief in a monotheistic judaism that was automatically transmitted to a new religious organisation, started (we were taught) by jesus.. that's the premise which this thread will discuss.

  i suggest that sufficient evidence is available to throw doubt on both those beliefs.

  so this thread will argue (over about a week-hopefully) that:.

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  Viviane

  Therefore mimicking the first century Christian by following Jesus example. Isn’t it always the way Viviane? But yes I do pity you, don’t worry.

  Mimicking someone who thought slavery, rape and genocide? Yet you pity me?

  Christians are weird. Please don't ever stand close to me, I don't want to get any of your pity on me.

  Theology is not heighten by secular understanding of a textbook. True theology is not understood any better other than spiritual enlightenment. This is a personal journey and achievement. Confusing theology by comparing other propositions in different faiths, reverses the notion of true knowledge.

  Yet millions of other theist would disagree with you. I wonder where you got the hubris and arrogance to speak for "true" theology and theologians.

  Ex-Witnesses by far that never understood theology and all its element’s involved within make precisely that claim. Higher education has no substantive claim especially when it comes to Christian Theology. I.e. I don’t need my PhD to realize biblical truth. There will never be a comparison between secular knowledge of the bible to bible knowledge itself

  Yes, we've known for quite a while that the dumber you are, the more devoted to your faith you are.

  A true Christians understands bible principles by faith as you stated, such as 1 Corinthians 4:1-5 to not allow those that pretended to know the truth but never had it to be subjective verses to be objective to bible principles as Jesus did without being trained in secular knowledge but through Gods holy spirit.

  True Christians? Again, you are arbiter of who is a "true" Christian and who isn't? Tell me, when did Jesus return to earth to bestow this honorific upon you as Judge and Arbiter of the Dumberest?
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  Polytheism in the Book of Daniel, a late second temple religious document

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. watchtower
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  as jehovah's witnesses we committed ourselves to a blind belief in a monotheistic judaism that was automatically transmitted to a new religious organisation, started (we were taught) by jesus.. that's the premise which this thread will discuss.

  i suggest that sufficient evidence is available to throw doubt on both those beliefs.

  so this thread will argue (over about a week-hopefully) that:.

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  Viviane

  This is what happens when people begin to over reach and quantify words. The concept of linguistics is to reform language to become understandable for the commonwealth of its own society and culture.

  I can only imagine why an apologist for the WT and the Bible would bristle at the idea of quantifying words and meanings. Actually, I can't only imagine. It's so you can pretend to know things while spouting woo and pretending you know something.
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  I want to take them down

  by cookiemaster in

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  hey guys!

  some of you might know about my latest clash with the elders.

  i see the pressure this cult is putting on my family.

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  Viviane

  Anyway, I think we should organize ourselves and take action against this cult. I see it as a moral duty to prevent more lives getting wasted by the evil corporation. What do you guys think? What's the best way to take WT down (partially at least)?

  It's not going to happen, but for the sake or argument, let's pretend it could.

  How exactly do you see this happening? How do we organize? How do we rise to the top? How do we ensure no one is a mole that will get us all DF'ed? How do you deal with those that want reform vs. outright desolation vs. those that want to convert everyone to another Jesus cult vs. those preaching another religion?
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  "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

  by nicolaou in

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  so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

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  Viviane

  You quoted the Bible to begin with, and you requested an opinion, and you asked a question about heaven according to the Bible. But now you say that resorting to the Bible to answer a question doesn't work. I did not request to see anything from you. I was only trying to answer your questions that you asked on this thread. THE END.

  Incorrect. He was asking a question about the logic of what the Bible says. Using more illogic from the Bible isn't answering the question, nor does making false claims about what the Bible says.
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  "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

  by nicolaou in

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  so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

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  Viviane

  I wasn't responding to you. My post was a continuation of my response to Nicolaou. Since I wasn't able to amend my first post to him with the related information, I had to post the additional information on a separate post. Besides that, the term Almighty says it all.

  Then you should have made that more clear.

  "Almighty" says nothing about creation.
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  "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

  by nicolaou in

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  so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

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  Viviane

  If you are trying to compare or convert to physical space or location to define what heavens is, In terms of understanding what the spirit heavens is, some Bible verses say that it stands for God himself or his throne.

  I wasn't, I just simply pointing out the Bible never says God was uncreated. Also, no one understands what spirit is. No one can tell us what it is made of, what it is, how to detect it... nothing. Using the word "spirit" to explain anything is simply pretending to know while using undefined words.
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  "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

  by nicolaou in

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  so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

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  Viviane

  God is the only eternal, uncreated reality "according to the Bible."

  The Bible never says God was uncreated.