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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

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  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  The diamond rule, at best, allows for asking, but it doesn't say to do that

  I never said it did anything otherwise.

  You are adding on to the diamond rule to make it work and no amount of pretending the diamond rule says something it doesn't will change that.

  Of course not. Don't be utter ridiculous as well as dishonest. I never claimed the diamond rule said that. Seriously, I question you ability to read with all of the things you imagine words say that they don't. I indicated asking would be a way to find out and gave you an example. Nothing more, nothing less.

  Look, just because you can't read the diamond rule and pretend it says things it doesn't or can't figure out how to ask "would I like this to be done to me?" doesn't mean...

  My, you really don't know how to actually parse a sentence and understand what it says, do you? Bless your heart.

  I've enrolled you in the school below. I've already paid your tuition.

  
  
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Viviane

  The dozens of cosmological constants, some of which I listed, that make our universe infinitesimally unlikely are not disputed by science.

  Stop being such an ignorant liar, Perry.

  The expanding universe (matter and the space time fabric itself) demands that there was a beginning.

  Stop being such an ignorant liar, Perry.

  Atheists say, "in the beginning, nothing". Christians are saying, 'In the beginning, God..."

  Stop being such a weasel of a liar, Perry.

  You are truly a perfect Christian. Utterly ignorant and utterly dishonest.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  The diamond rule says to treat people based on what they want. Its biggest drawback is it gives no guidance whatsoever on how you are to determine what it is "they" want.

  Hmmm... if only there was some way to determine what people want... some magical way to figure it out.

  The misuse being ascribed to the golden rule is more often the use of the diamond rule.

  You've got it exactly backwards. Example below.

  It is the diamond rule that gives zero guidance on how to determine how someone else "wants to be treated".

  Diamond Rule: "I'm going for coffee. Anyone else want coffee? If so, how do you take it?"

  Golden Rule: "I got black coffee with sugar for all of you because that's how I like it. Oh, you like your coffee with cream and you're diabetic? Too damn bad because Jesus."

  With no guidance, one is free to to use whatever approach one wants in determining how other person/people "want to be treated."

  Look, just because you can't read the golden rule and pretend it says things it doesn't or can't figure out how people like their coffee doesn't mean the rest of us are so limited.
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  OMG - How Low Can They Go?

  by berrygerry in

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  i'm sorry if this has been posted previously, but i haven't noticed it.. this was posted on reddit.. has anyone seen this moneysuck video:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ylee4u_yu.

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  Viviane

  No true follower of Christ should be surprised or shocked at this.

  When did Jesus authorize you to determine who was a true Christian?
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  The fact that the Golden Rule has lasted for centuries is evidence that it's not pure garbage.
  As OTWO said, the Golden Rule doesn't cover everything but it's a good place to start when considering others.

  Actually, the reverse golden rule is used far more often. If you run around assuming everyone wants things like you, then you won't get very far. People often mistake societal customs and norms for the golden rule when in fact they aren't the same at all.

  Used as written, the golden rule is a terrible place to start. It's "lasted" because Jesus and reasons and people calling their behavior the golden rule when in fact they are doing the exact opposite.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Well obviously not, Hitler should have obeyed the Golden Rule...the Golden Rule is the best benchmark of how to treat others in my opinion xx

  The golden rule says to decide how to treat people based on your wishes, not their needs and wishes. It's disrespectful.
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  Christ in You The Hope of Glory:Being Realized

  by hopeofglory in

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  the mystery of the ages was revealed to the gentiles 2000 years ago.

  the mystery is "christ in you, the hope of glory" (colossians 1:27).

  the churches do not and never will teach this even though it was revealed to the gentiles.

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  Viviane

  The bible is a written testimony about Christ and i use that for those who ares tuck in the written word .It is the living word within that gives light and life.Christ in you is the divine nature that is in all

  What, specifically, is divine nature? How can we detect it? What evidence is there for this? How is it different from regular nature?
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  What is God's Kingdom?

  by Gods_Kingdom in

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  what is god's kingdom?

  some say it is in your heart.

  some say it is heaven.

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  Viviane

  Gods_Kingdom,

  Again, you are way ahead of yourself. The bible does say people talked directly to god, pretending it doesn't is dishonest.

  Also, you've completely avoided giving us any information we could use to determine what god is made of, what spirit is, how we can detect it, etc.
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  Since man is unable to create life does this mean

  by Crazyguy in

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  does this mean possible a creator did or does exist.

  there is plenty of evidence of a slow evolutionary changes over millions of years and i do not disagree with this.

  but again that fact that mankind can not create a living creature from scratch mean there must be a creator?

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  Viviane

  Why would it mean that?
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  Christ in You The Hope of Glory:Being Realized

  by hopeofglory in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the mystery of the ages was revealed to the gentiles 2000 years ago.

  the mystery is "christ in you, the hope of glory" (colossians 1:27).

  the churches do not and never will teach this even though it was revealed to the gentiles.

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  Viviane

  The churches do not and never will teach this even though it was revealed to the gentiles. Christ himself said he will come and his father make their abode IN you. You are the temple of the living God

  Fantastic. Another person who has figured it all out, all we need to do is trust them and ignore the other 10 people today that have it all figured out as long as we trust them. Of course, they all agree the others are wrong, but so what?