Posts by Viviane

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

Somebody has a big chip on their shoulder. In the example of the coffe, I would want to be asked how I like my coffee. It's not rocket science. Ask people what they want just as you would want to be asked. C'mon Viv. You can do it!

Please do not pretend to falsely know things about me you cannot possibly know. Please do not pretend falsely what you said is the golden rule. It is not. If anything, it most closely aligns to what I said early on. If you're going to support my position, as least realize you're doing it.

It's not rocket science.

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Atheist Miracles

by Perry in

jw
friends

i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

they keep me from getting bored.

Viviane

WMF: well said: The educated scientists saying we don't know (yet)
Some atheists always say "nyet"
vetoing, negating, but enjoying the works of the worker.

Hmmm, a large, LARGE number of those scientists are atheists. I hope you don't enjoy the fruits of their labor. That would make you both misinformed and a hypocrite if you did.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

The diamond rule, at best, allows for asking, but it doesn't say to do that

I never said it did anything otherwise.

You are adding on to the diamond rule to make it work and no amount of pretending the diamond rule says something it doesn't will change that.

Of course not. Don't be utter ridiculous as well as dishonest. I never claimed the diamond rule said that. Seriously, I question you ability to read with all of the things you imagine words say that they don't. I indicated asking would be a way to find out and gave you an example. Nothing more, nothing less.

Look, just because you can't read the diamond rule and pretend it says things it doesn't or can't figure out how to ask "would I like this to be done to me?" doesn't mean...

My, you really don't know how to actually parse a sentence and understand what it says, do you? Bless your heart.

I've enrolled you in the school below. I've already paid your tuition.

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Atheist Miracles

by Perry in

jw
friends

i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

they keep me from getting bored.

Viviane

The dozens of cosmological constants, some of which I listed, that make our universe infinitesimally unlikely are not disputed by science.

Stop being such an ignorant liar, Perry.

The expanding universe (matter and the space time fabric itself) demands that there was a beginning.

Stop being such an ignorant liar, Perry.

Atheists say, "in the beginning, nothing". Christians are saying, 'In the beginning, God..."

Stop being such a weasel of a liar, Perry.

You are truly a perfect Christian. Utterly ignorant and utterly dishonest.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

The diamond rule says to treat people based on what they want. Its biggest drawback is it gives no guidance whatsoever on how you are to determine what it is "they" want.

Hmmm... if only there was some way to determine what people want... some magical way to figure it out.

The misuse being ascribed to the golden rule is more often the use of the diamond rule.

You've got it exactly backwards. Example below.

It is the diamond rule that gives zero guidance on how to determine how someone else "wants to be treated".

Diamond Rule: "I'm going for coffee. Anyone else want coffee? If so, how do you take it?"

Golden Rule: "I got black coffee with sugar for all of you because that's how I like it. Oh, you like your coffee with cream and you're diabetic? Too damn bad because Jesus."

With no guidance, one is free to to use whatever approach one wants in determining how other person/people "want to be treated."

Look, just because you can't read the golden rule and pretend it says things it doesn't or can't figure out how people like their coffee doesn't mean the rest of us are so limited.

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OMG - How Low Can They Go?

by berrygerry in

i'm sorry if this has been posted previously, but i haven't noticed it.. this was posted on reddit.. has anyone seen this moneysuck video:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ylee4u_yu.

Viviane

No true follower of Christ should be surprised or shocked at this.

When did Jesus authorize you to determine who was a true Christian?

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

The fact that the Golden Rule has lasted for centuries is evidence that it's not pure garbage.
As OTWO said, the Golden Rule doesn't cover everything but it's a good place to start when considering others.

Actually, the reverse golden rule is used far more often. If you run around assuming everyone wants things like you, then you won't get very far. People often mistake societal customs and norms for the golden rule when in fact they aren't the same at all.

Used as written, the golden rule is a terrible place to start. It's "lasted" because Jesus and reasons and people calling their behavior the golden rule when in fact they are doing the exact opposite.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

Well obviously not, Hitler should have obeyed the Golden Rule...the Golden Rule is the best benchmark of how to treat others in my opinion xx

The golden rule says to decide how to treat people based on your wishes, not their needs and wishes. It's disrespectful.

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Christ in You The Hope of Glory:Being Realized

by hopeofglory in

the mystery of the ages was revealed to the gentiles 2000 years ago.

the mystery is "christ in you, the hope of glory" (colossians 1:27).

the churches do not and never will teach this even though it was revealed to the gentiles.

Viviane

The bible is a written testimony about Christ and i use that for those who ares tuck in the written word .It is the living word within that gives light and life.Christ in you is the divine nature that is in all

What, specifically, is divine nature? How can we detect it? What evidence is there for this? How is it different from regular nature?

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What is God's Kingdom?

by Gods_Kingdom in

what is god's kingdom?

some say it is in your heart.

some say it is heaven.

Viviane

Gods_Kingdom,

Again, you are way ahead of yourself. The bible does say people talked directly to god, pretending it doesn't is dishonest.

Also, you've completely avoided giving us any information we could use to determine what god is made of, what spirit is, how we can detect it, etc.