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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

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  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Seriously, Viviane ... lighten up

  You're fascinated with pretending to know things about me, it seems. Makes me wonder what you dream about that you don't post.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Semantics are always annoying.

  Why do you hate juice?
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  In his paper "Variations on the Golden Rule" (downloadable here), Frank Harary lists a number of variations of the golden rule found throughout the world. Some cool ones are:

  When the topic is "variations of the golden rule", then that will be relevant.

  As it stands, the golden rule is the rule of an uncaring, unthinking person. It's better to simply ask, which, interestingly, the golden rule does not prescribe but is exactly what I suggested in the second sentence of my first post on this topic.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Eden, thank you. I knew I could count on you to say something both useless but, and this is key, also letting everyone know just how singed your feelings are from the last time you tried to make stuff up about me.

  Kudos, good job, well done, mate.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Somebody has a big chip on their shoulder. In the example of the coffe, I would want to be asked how I like my coffee. It's not rocket science. Ask people what they want just as you would want to be asked. C'mon Viv. You can do it!

  Please do not pretend to falsely know things about me you cannot possibly know. Please do not pretend falsely what you said is the golden rule. It is not. If anything, it most closely aligns to what I said early on. If you're going to support my position, as least realize you're doing it.

  It's not rocket science.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Viviane

  WMF: well said: The educated scientists saying we don't know (yet)
  Some atheists always say "nyet"
  vetoing, negating, but enjoying the works of the worker.

  Hmmm, a large, LARGE number of those scientists are atheists. I hope you don't enjoy the fruits of their labor. That would make you both misinformed and a hypocrite if you did.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  The diamond rule, at best, allows for asking, but it doesn't say to do that

  I never said it did anything otherwise.

  You are adding on to the diamond rule to make it work and no amount of pretending the diamond rule says something it doesn't will change that.

  Of course not. Don't be utter ridiculous as well as dishonest. I never claimed the diamond rule said that. Seriously, I question you ability to read with all of the things you imagine words say that they don't. I indicated asking would be a way to find out and gave you an example. Nothing more, nothing less.

  Look, just because you can't read the diamond rule and pretend it says things it doesn't or can't figure out how to ask "would I like this to be done to me?" doesn't mean...

  My, you really don't know how to actually parse a sentence and understand what it says, do you? Bless your heart.

  I've enrolled you in the school below. I've already paid your tuition.

  
  
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Viviane

  The dozens of cosmological constants, some of which I listed, that make our universe infinitesimally unlikely are not disputed by science.

  Stop being such an ignorant liar, Perry.

  The expanding universe (matter and the space time fabric itself) demands that there was a beginning.

  Stop being such an ignorant liar, Perry.

  Atheists say, "in the beginning, nothing". Christians are saying, 'In the beginning, God..."

  Stop being such a weasel of a liar, Perry.

  You are truly a perfect Christian. Utterly ignorant and utterly dishonest.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  The diamond rule says to treat people based on what they want. Its biggest drawback is it gives no guidance whatsoever on how you are to determine what it is "they" want.

  Hmmm... if only there was some way to determine what people want... some magical way to figure it out.

  The misuse being ascribed to the golden rule is more often the use of the diamond rule.

  You've got it exactly backwards. Example below.

  It is the diamond rule that gives zero guidance on how to determine how someone else "wants to be treated".

  Diamond Rule: "I'm going for coffee. Anyone else want coffee? If so, how do you take it?"

  Golden Rule: "I got black coffee with sugar for all of you because that's how I like it. Oh, you like your coffee with cream and you're diabetic? Too damn bad because Jesus."

  With no guidance, one is free to to use whatever approach one wants in determining how other person/people "want to be treated."

  Look, just because you can't read the golden rule and pretend it says things it doesn't or can't figure out how people like their coffee doesn't mean the rest of us are so limited.
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  OMG - How Low Can They Go?

  by berrygerry in

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  i'm sorry if this has been posted previously, but i haven't noticed it.. this was posted on reddit.. has anyone seen this moneysuck video:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ylee4u_yu.

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  Viviane

  No true follower of Christ should be surprised or shocked at this.

  When did Jesus authorize you to determine who was a true Christian?