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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Viviane

  My opinion is that they are fully immersed in living, but say "No, i am convinced there is no creator, and there is no "(yet") likely.

  When you insist on telling people what their opinion is...

  pinning down some atheist's convictions is like trying to nail pudding to the wall, So I am not waiting for an 'atheist's miracle' to be proved wrong on that.

  ... rather than letting them speak for themselves, I can see why you would have trouble understanding.

  IMHO if you daily look at the grand spectacle of existence, AND the more you know about how it all works, the work involved, the more you could at least put a "possible" in the concept of a deist originating worker.

  Once you decide evidence isn't going to be used, anything becomes "possible". What does that have to do with you not understanding what atheist think while simultaneously trying to claim what they think?
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

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  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  More utter nonsense on this thread. I am not surprised though xx

  See example ^^^^
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

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  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is a rule of conduct, not action. It doesn't pertain to offering people food or things you like. It is more a reverse idea, as Buddhism teaches

  Nope, A does not equal !A. They are different things.

  do not do to others what you yourself don't like (which was spoken and practiced well before Jesus' time). For instance: I don't want you to spit on me, so I won't spit on you. Not, I like to get slapped for laughs, so let me slap you.

  Not what the golden rule says,
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Seriously, Viviane ... lighten up

  You're fascinated with pretending to know things about me, it seems. Makes me wonder what you dream about that you don't post.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Semantics are always annoying.

  Why do you hate juice?
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  In his paper "Variations on the Golden Rule" (downloadable here), Frank Harary lists a number of variations of the golden rule found throughout the world. Some cool ones are:

  When the topic is "variations of the golden rule", then that will be relevant.

  As it stands, the golden rule is the rule of an uncaring, unthinking person. It's better to simply ask, which, interestingly, the golden rule does not prescribe but is exactly what I suggested in the second sentence of my first post on this topic.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Eden, thank you. I knew I could count on you to say something both useless but, and this is key, also letting everyone know just how singed your feelings are from the last time you tried to make stuff up about me.

  Kudos, good job, well done, mate.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  Somebody has a big chip on their shoulder. In the example of the coffe, I would want to be asked how I like my coffee. It's not rocket science. Ask people what they want just as you would want to be asked. C'mon Viv. You can do it!

  Please do not pretend to falsely know things about me you cannot possibly know. Please do not pretend falsely what you said is the golden rule. It is not. If anything, it most closely aligns to what I said early on. If you're going to support my position, as least realize you're doing it.

  It's not rocket science.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Viviane

  WMF: well said: The educated scientists saying we don't know (yet)
  Some atheists always say "nyet"
  vetoing, negating, but enjoying the works of the worker.

  Hmmm, a large, LARGE number of those scientists are atheists. I hope you don't enjoy the fruits of their labor. That would make you both misinformed and a hypocrite if you did.
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  Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

  by willmarite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

  she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

  i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

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  Viviane

  The diamond rule, at best, allows for asking, but it doesn't say to do that

  I never said it did anything otherwise.

  You are adding on to the diamond rule to make it work and no amount of pretending the diamond rule says something it doesn't will change that.

  Of course not. Don't be utter ridiculous as well as dishonest. I never claimed the diamond rule said that. Seriously, I question you ability to read with all of the things you imagine words say that they don't. I indicated asking would be a way to find out and gave you an example. Nothing more, nothing less.

  Look, just because you can't read the diamond rule and pretend it says things it doesn't or can't figure out how to ask "would I like this to be done to me?" doesn't mean...

  My, you really don't know how to actually parse a sentence and understand what it says, do you? Bless your heart.

  I've enrolled you in the school below. I've already paid your tuition.