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  Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Brother Jeramy in

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  allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

  i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

  some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

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  Viviane

  I've said my piece, you've each said yours. There will clearly be no agreement, which is obviously fine, but there's an obvious descending spiral in the things each of you are writing that approaches the level of obsession "with arguments and debates about words.These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, constant disputes" and are at best nothing more than "fights about words, something of no usefulness at all."

  Uh, yeah, because you are contradicting yourself with every post and being extremely negative.

  Words have meanings. If you cannot be clear in what you write as to your meaning or it appears you do not understand the words you are using, then I have no idea how you hope to communicate.

  If, in the future, you wish to avoid discussions about your meanings, I suggest you write clearly and in an understandable manner. In short, take your own advice.
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  Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Brother Jeramy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

  i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

  some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

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  Viviane

  For starters, what I wrote wasn't ad hominem. I was identifying the nature of Viviane's statements, not casting any aspersions on her character.

  Except you actually used words that describe character and personality traits.

  Seriously, do you even understand the words you use?
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  Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Brother Jeramy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

  i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

  some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

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  Viviane

  The Real Problem is those Other JWs

  Exactly. BJ is the negative one. Just like other Christians who think they preach love by threatening death, he truly doesn't even understand the things he is saying or the words he is using.
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  Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Brother Jeramy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

  i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

  some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

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  Viviane

  Thanks for demonstrating my point about the pathological negativity and spiteful generalizations many exhibit on this forum.

  Negative? Please say where I said one thing negative. I was extremely specific and pointed out reality. If your reality is negative, that's you creating it and your problem, not the forum's.
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  Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Brother Jeramy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

  i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

  some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

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  Viviane

  my understanding was that this was an open forum where former as well as active Witnesses can share their views and engage in discussions. Instead, it appears that only one prevailing viewpoint is permitted here by mass default. Deviation from that viewpoint invites a barrage of antipathy.

  Since you have not been banned, it would seem the issue is that you don't understand what's in bold above....

  in spite of my dissidence, does not make me complicit

  You preach what you know to be a lie. You are 100% complicit.

  Any more than my being a tax-paying American citizen makes me complicit in the wrongful deaths of innocent thousands at the hands of the U.S. military over the past thirteen years; other similar examples abound.

  You choose to remain part of and preach on behalf of a family destroying, pedophile protecting and family destroying organization even though you know better. It makes you very responsible.
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  Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Brother Jeramy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

  i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

  some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

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  Viviane

  And so I simply wanted to share my views on why I remain as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I did so rationally and respectfully. No agenda. Just . . . sharing.

  You're evangelizing for a particular point of view, yours, and your secret JW-but-not-JW religion-within-a-religion you have going on.

  At least be honest.
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  Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Brother Jeramy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

  i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

  some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

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  Viviane

  I don't understand the accusation, given that it's quite untrue. As it is, it seems I am being called a "troll" by some merely because I expressed a position that several don't like and don't agree with. I didn't make my post to cause a stir. I simply shared a viewpoint. Many may find that viewpoint unpopular, but that doesn't make the one who posts that unpopular viewpoint a "troll."

  You posited a position that YOU don't agree with.

  You claim to be a JW, which requires 100% agreement (at least publicly) with the GB, a position you disagree with.

  You teach people the JW religion, yet discount it as false.

  You proclaim faith in Jesus and to teach the truth, yet are actively involved in and claim to be a member of a religion that teaches the opposite of Jesus and obvious falsehoods.

  What else are you but a troll?
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  What is the truth?

  by hardtobeme in

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  that is what my professor of philosophy asked us last night at class.. he said that pontius pilate asked jesus that question and that it was a hard one that jesus couldn't answer.. what do you think about this question?

  what is the truth?

  does the gb has any truth?

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  Viviane

  But when you know the truth, you have no duty to try to prove it to others. And you can't prove it to others.

  Well, there is it. The most ridiculous thing I'll read all day. Please appreciate the effort required to not use more colorful language when describing the most ridiculous thing I'll read all day.
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  I wonder if you can be spiritual and religious at the same time??

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok again i would like to apologise as i did come across preachy.

  i am not going to debate whether or not i am a bk as you have your opinions either way.

  what i was trying to write though was my thoughts and feelings which i hope don't offend anyone on this forum.

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  Viviane

  Thanks Viviane. I'm sorry for making the Terminator III analogy with you and Cofty (no I'm not -it fits and it was damned funny - you're the girl Terminator btw).

  I thought that was funny because it was in the spirit (gasp!) of humor and and a friendly jab.

  Also, I would snap you in half. And you would like it.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Viviane

  observing the lingo of atheists reveals the same kind of "absolute" commitment to Materialism - this is, unfortunately for religious people, totally in line with all available evidence. There is no evidence - repeat NO EVIDENCE - for a spirit realm or for "ghosts in the machine".
  Atheists and scientists accept the existence of lions because of the evidence. They don't currently accept the existence of Bigfoot or God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster because there is no evidence for them.

  Atheists simply share a lack of belief in spirits, spirit realms, God, gods, etc. That says nothing about materialism, evaluating evidence, bigfoot, lions or the FSM.