I asked a question early on that no one bothered addressing. If there is a feeling that we need to respect others beliefs, do you (assuming you feel that way about NAMBLA's beliefs? Anti-vaxxers? Religious people that believe in prayer over antibiotics or surgery to save their life or their child's life?
Viviane
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Eventually, if I'd bother to go back and dig up some past threads, it wouldn't be difficult to find examples of what I've said. But I won't. You may say that I'm refusing to back up what I'm saying with "evidence", but I simply don't want to go there, it's just stirring s**t.
You've already gone there by even bringing it up, you're just not backing it up or following through.
I don't need additional stress, and, frankly, when it comes to adults, it shouldn't be needed to explain what urbanity means.
Agreed. Urbanity would include thing like, oh, say, if you make accusations, being able to prove it. It's just common courtesy.
What I find rather interesting is that most, but not all, going on about "unfairness", "insults", "objectionable posts" are the same ones that are part of a blood cult that promises to murder and torture me for eternity, that follow a book that endorses slavery, murder, genocide, rape and misogyny and will gladly tell you that you're going to hell but flip the F out if you point out that they might not know what they are talking about on a subject or don't like religion.
The others, I find, love to be snide, rude, to tell others what to do, but if they ever feel like they've gotten a bit back, they cry for the whole forum to see how they've been abused.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
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Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?
by cappytan ina year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.
world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.
so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?
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Finelstein: Notice how in the article goes from describing the refugees as "refugees" (with quotes) to 'Muslim invaders' within a short span.
A classic example of someone using weasel words, to be sure.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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following are some gems I found, author will remain anonymous although they will likely recognize their handiwork:
Those ARE gems and I wrote most if not all, I believe. Great examples of witty, on topic and in context brilliance.
Since you clearly have a problem with me, can you show me where I called anyone stupid, lazy, an asshole, etc? How is it derogatory to point out that someone doesn't have knowledge of the topic they are discussing? How is voicing my opinion on religion insulting someone? Explain, please, how pointing out the misogyny in dismissing female posters comments as "oh, you must be PMSing" insulting anyone? BTW, one of those you posted was me and Morpheus, who get along swimmingly, bantering and joking about Van Halen, so it's clear you're cherry picking without context.
Tell me, if that is the situation, why should we listen to you? If the only problem is that you find them objectionable (which is what Lisa asked Eden for), well, then, I'm very strongly apathetic to that. If I am insulting someone, well, then we should address that specifically, but so far you've not shown a single example of that.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Another common way to do this is that, before responding to anything, you first make comments like:
"I read your muddled, contradictory and poorly argued post and you did not consider..."Agreed. It is ridiculous to make assertions like that before responding (although technically that is a response and, as you rightly point out, often an accurate one). It is far better to use words like that (when those descriptors are accurate, of course) only after responding to the post in an objective, factual reality based manner.
Of course, no one should be bothered by accurate descriptors of reality. Some are, naturally, and there is nothing that can be done about that, but every effort should be made to ensure that those accurate descriptors are well supported by data and that the accurate descriptors are not personal attacks.
Bohm, do you have a specific example of someone responding in a discussion using words like "muddled" without first having addressed the argument itself?
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Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?
by cappytan ina year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.
world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.
so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?
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Well Vivinane, I was not trying to create a gotcha moment, my point was more simple that the Sweedish government is obviously collecting these numbers for comparison purpose, otherwise there would be no idea in collecting the numbers.
Riiiiiigt.
At any rate you can compare numbers within sweeden, for instance you can see if the influx of asylum seekers increase the number of reported rapes as someone who believe there is a connection between rapes and the number of asylum seekers might predict.
And again, correlation is not causation. Without collecting a lot more data, that statistic alone wouldn't tell you much. Did it increase per capita, including immigrants? Who were the perpetrators and the victims? Where were the crimes taking place? Simple data leads to simple conclusions that, on the surface, make "sense" but are often wrong.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?
by cappytan ina year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.
world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.
so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?
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Viviane, you ought to contact the Sweedish government with this insight and tell them they are collecting numbers which are useless for any comparison. It would save those poor sweedes and awful lot of tax kronar!
Sweden part of the EU. An agency of the EU conducted these studies. They are the ones that collected the numbers and the people I quoted saying to be wary. I bet they know that, unless they collect data, they can't figure out where the holes in the data are, figure out how to get better data and figure out how to make it useful.
Of course, had you bothered to read the links instead of flail about trying to have a "gotcha" moment with me, you would see they already do know all that and you might have learned something. Alas, not to be yet again. Hope for the future, though!
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Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?
by cappytan ina year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.
world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.
so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?
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It is true correlation does not imply causation but it's usually indicative of it. One could for instance compare Sweeden with Norway (roughly similar but with far less immigrants) and that might allow stronger conclusions to be drawn.
Well, in this case, there are so many reasons that the numbers are off (as per the people that collected the numbers), that any comparison would be meaningless.
Also this...
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Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?
by cappytan ina year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.
world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.
so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?
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Well I hope you are referring to someone else because I back up everything with verifiable facts.
No, I'm referring directly to you, hence my quoting you and looking up and quoting your source. You used a source to "prove" that Sweden is experience an outbreak of rape due to immigrants. Your source directly contradicted your point. You're using sources without reading or understanding them.
The point I am making is that there is a direct correlation to the rampant increases in crime, rapes and anti-Semitism across Europe and immigration from third world nations.
Well, your sources don't support that, unfortunately, so you aren't so much "making a point" as "saying things".
I read that whole wikiarticle and found that everything after the verified rape stats was conjecture, obviously written by apologists for rapists. Nice people, I'm sure. No seriously, I find it absolutely repulsive that you are trying to discredit rape statistics. Disgusting. You'd make a great lawyer for a child rapist and sleep soundly at night.
So, you actually read your own source and, now that you realize it contradicts you, it's crap and you resort to insulting? That's some real fine detective work there, Lou.
In reality, the people that made the report cautioned that there are several problems with the numbers. That's a fact. Acting like a two year old when you find out only makes YOU look childish instead of an adult capable of dealing with reality.
