Posts by Viviane

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

But since you so lightly accuse me of being a liar, and then attempt to damage my reputation by suggesting that everything I say may be suspect,

Don't BS this. I didn't lightly accuse you of anything. I demand that you prove proof of your BS or exect to be called on it. You made the accusations, you can 100℅ expect to reap the rewards of your posts and accusations.

That's how it works. You say shit about me, it ain't on me to deny it. It's on you to prove it or get dogged by it on every single post you make until you do or retract it because you accused the wrong person that won't stand even for half a second for foolish and idiotic lies.

So, post your proof, retract your comment and apologize or expect hell.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

Explain how have I lied?

You said I insisted on something. That is a BS lie. Unless you can quote where I insisted on something, I expect an apology for your absolute BS lie or you can expect every post I see of yours to call that out.

Quote up or shut up.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

IMHO ...the best way to frame the OP's argument is to avoid, if humanly possible, debating like Donald Trump and instead debate like Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan was fear mongering liar wholly unqualified for his job or any other that required critical thinking and objective evaluation of reality. In other words, a religious person.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

Well, since you insisted, Viviane.

I insisted on nothing. At least try to be honest before you attempt to demean others. Otherwise, we would have to call your reputation into question and therefore dismiss every single thing you say until you provide evidence to corroborate.

Since we've already seen you fallaciously suggest someone insisted on something, explain in detail why anyone should trust another word you say? You claim the truth and prove nothing but false to it. Why, in other words, should not every word you speak be treated as suspect since you've already lied and said I insisted on something? Why should we not expect you to be lying again?

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

I asked a question early on that no one bothered addressing. If there is a feeling that we need to respect others beliefs, do you (assuming you feel that way about NAMBLA's beliefs? Anti-vaxxers? Religious people that believe in prayer over antibiotics or surgery to save their life or their child's life?

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

Eventually, if I'd bother to go back and dig up some past threads, it wouldn't be difficult to find examples of what I've said. But I won't. You may say that I'm refusing to back up what I'm saying with "evidence", but I simply don't want to go there, it's just stirring s**t.

You've already gone there by even bringing it up, you're just not backing it up or following through.

I don't need additional stress, and, frankly, when it comes to adults, it shouldn't be needed to explain what urbanity means.

Agreed. Urbanity would include thing like, oh, say, if you make accusations, being able to prove it. It's just common courtesy.

What I find rather interesting is that most, but not all, going on about "unfairness", "insults", "objectionable posts" are the same ones that are part of a blood cult that promises to murder and torture me for eternity, that follow a book that endorses slavery, murder, genocide, rape and misogyny and will gladly tell you that you're going to hell but flip the F out if you point out that they might not know what they are talking about on a subject or don't like religion.

The others, I find, love to be snide, rude, to tell others what to do, but if they ever feel like they've gotten a bit back, they cry for the whole forum to see how they've been abused.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

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Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?

by cappytan in

jw
friends

a year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.

world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.

so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?

Viviane

Finelstein: Notice how in the article goes from describing the refugees as "refugees" (with quotes) to 'Muslim invaders' within a short span.

A classic example of someone using weasel words, to be sure.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

following are some gems I found, author will remain anonymous although they will likely recognize their handiwork:

Those ARE gems and I wrote most if not all, I believe. Great examples of witty, on topic and in context brilliance.

Since you clearly have a problem with me, can you show me where I called anyone stupid, lazy, an asshole, etc? How is it derogatory to point out that someone doesn't have knowledge of the topic they are discussing? How is voicing my opinion on religion insulting someone? Explain, please, how pointing out the misogyny in dismissing female posters comments as "oh, you must be PMSing" insulting anyone? BTW, one of those you posted was me and Morpheus, who get along swimmingly, bantering and joking about Van Halen, so it's clear you're cherry picking without context.

Tell me, if that is the situation, why should we listen to you? If the only problem is that you find them objectionable (which is what Lisa asked Eden for), well, then, I'm very strongly apathetic to that. If I am insulting someone, well, then we should address that specifically, but so far you've not shown a single example of that.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

Another common way to do this is that, before responding to anything, you first make comments like:
"I read your muddled, contradictory and poorly argued post and you did not consider..."

Agreed. It is ridiculous to make assertions like that before responding (although technically that is a response and, as you rightly point out, often an accurate one). It is far better to use words like that (when those descriptors are accurate, of course) only after responding to the post in an objective, factual reality based manner.

Of course, no one should be bothered by accurate descriptors of reality. Some are, naturally, and there is nothing that can be done about that, but every effort should be made to ensure that those accurate descriptors are well supported by data and that the accurate descriptors are not personal attacks.

Bohm, do you have a specific example of someone responding in a discussion using words like "muddled" without first having addressed the argument itself?

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Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?

by cappytan in

jw
friends

a year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.

world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.

so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?

Viviane

Well Vivinane, I was not trying to create a gotcha moment, my point was more simple that the Sweedish government is obviously collecting these numbers for comparison purpose, otherwise there would be no idea in collecting the numbers.

Riiiiiigt.

At any rate you can compare numbers within sweeden, for instance you can see if the influx of asylum seekers increase the number of reported rapes as someone who believe there is a connection between rapes and the number of asylum seekers might predict.

And again, correlation is not causation. Without collecting a lot more data, that statistic alone wouldn't tell you much. Did it increase per capita, including immigrants? Who were the perpetrators and the victims? Where were the crimes taking place? Simple data leads to simple conclusions that, on the surface, make "sense" but are often wrong.