Posts by Viviane

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

I think that this is a fundamental issue on this thread - emotion vs. rationality.

I don't know if that is true. For instance, if someone I work with came to me with a question, say "Hey Viv, take a look at this configuration for a computing system and the projected workload. Will this system meet the workload requirements?", I would then do some math. There are almost always things we don't know, things we can't plan or calculate for in exercises like this, so you have to used past experience, educated guesses, etc.. If, after looking at everything, compiling what we do know with the things we had to makes assumptions or best guesses for and doing the math, etc., would it be an emotional belief to say "I believe this design will be adequate"?

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

I don't get how that is a lie. If it is "ignorance at best" why not go with that?

Because I prefer "going with reality". If someone has to write a long, detailed explanation of "well, yeah, you didn't really do this but here is why I feel justified in claiming it anyway", it's not ignorance. It's a rationalized lie.

Pointing out a discourtesy is, in my kneck of the woods, pressing someone.

No, it isn't.

Where I am "since you insist" is a pretty common term for when you are pressed or shamed into something

See, you're doing it now as well. Using a synonym of a synonym of a kinda close idea to link a word that doesn't at all mean what you're now claiming it does. Shame is in no way a synonym of "insist". Using such lazy thinking, saying "dinner's ready" is insisting someone eat.

Can we get back on topic

We are on topic. Some people believe it's sometimes justified to rationalize a lie if they can connect enough words together, apparently.

I believe that is untrue

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

The amazing thing is, Eden actually took the time to show you why he felt you insisted and you called it BS.

I said that to do a certain thing was common courtesy.There is no definition by which that is insisting. Eden feeling a certain way doesn't make it reality and claiming it over and over is ignorance at best, dishonesty at worst.

Repeatedly framing what is, at worst, a misreading as a terrible reputation destroying lie is disproportionate in the extreme. Notwithstanding the shoddy way you are being treated (and you are) I rather hoped you would retract that. I think it would do you credit (I am aware you don't care).

Repeated untrue claims is not a simple misreading, particularly when that person posts why they feels justified in making what they admit aren't accurate claims.

I stand by what I said.

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Farewell

by EdenOne in

"don't be dismayed by good-byes.

a farewell is necessary before you can meet again.

and meeting again, after moments or lifetimes, is certain for those who are friends.

Viviane

Viviane is an ass that has no basis for any arguments.
Viv is a bit of a bully
Viviane is inflexible
Life is better if you are willing to tolerate the likes of Viviane, no matter what insults they hurl against you
Don't let bullies do you in now
the pathological naysayer won
An insecure bully

Apparently Viv killed Laura Palmer.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

That's true. I just hope the people that called me an asshole (and other names), quoted me out of context, dismissed me because of gender, suggested I am mentally unbalanced and lied about me yet consider themselves "nice", will remember that should they ever decide to take aim at someone less capable than I of dismissing their slings and arrows. (+10 Slytherin for the Shakespeare reference :D (also something something Timelord Victorious, so +20 total for adding in Doctor Who))

As I said, I shall be nicer.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

I can understand that, Simon, and I can certainly make that effort. Since we're discussing behavior, we have seen on this thread people deciding they get to claim I said things when I did no such thing. We see people suggesting I have mental problems. We see people calling me names. We see people using misogyny to dismiss me.

I don't recall ever complaining to you or threatening to quit the forum or sending people ultimatums in PM.

Sure, I can use more sugary words when I call people out for their behavior, but let's (as a group, not directed at you personally, Simon), be honest. I am subjected to far worse behavior (see Eden's quit thread and what people said about me there which, you'll notice, I've read and ignored except to use as an example here) by people claiming to be be nice and respectful and loving but who will in a second be nasty and mean in a heartbeat as long as they're ganging up on the right person.

And you know what? That's fine by me. I'm not complaining. I'm not coming to you with names. I'm not firing off PMs angry about it or denigrating them in forums.

I wonder what we can glean from that.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

Eden shows several examples of that by saying, "since you insist"

Eden was being untruthful, so, no.

Viviane was clearly 'insisting' on examples of her insulting someone

And now you're being untruthful also.

If you don't want to be called untruthful, then don't be so.

The synonyms for 'insist' include: be resolute about, be emphatic about, be adamant about, not take no for an answer about; informalstick to one's guns about.

Exactly, both you and Eden were and are untruthful on this. So what?

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

I think that's the first time I've ever disagreed with you, Viv!

Fair enough. Allow me, kindly, to be more accurate. *I* didn't do that.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

It's easy to part quote a sentence or paragraph and take it out of context.

It is. However, no one did that.

As this O.P is " On the respect of the beliefs of others..." Rather than go off topic, I will take some Dr Phill advice and not engage in any further perdantic details.

I've no idea what you're talking about.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

I was surprised due to our past communication such a comment was even suggested.

You said "each persons reality is in my opinion to be respected".

I asked because it's clear you really DON'T think that.

I was was referring to how an individual's opinion shouldn't be influenced by an organisation, the media or any individual friend to be confused and corrupted by other people.

That would mean that no one can persuade anyone at any time for any reason.