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  Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur? Redux

  by shadow in

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  i am posting a second topic on this subject since the first one became overrun by snakes.. cofty posted a link to a published paper discussing this topic and referred to the information in it as "facts".

  here is my summary of that paper along with comments on it.. one of the opening statements says that:.

  two frequently debated aspects of hominin evolution are the development of upright bipedal stance and reduction in body hair.. so for those who believe this is a stupid topic, it is a subject of interest to many stupid people including the authors of the paper referred to by cofty.

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  Viviane

  Do you have a point? Other than being afraid of snakes, of course.
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  I think this is an important question...

  by The Rebel in

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  when i first met my wife and on that so important first date i was 21 years old and sadly broke, she was an 18 year old au pair.

  any way i treated her to mcdonald's but she had to pay for the meal.

  now over 20 years later and still together, i realize how lucky i was she didn't say on that first date " if you can't afford to pay "our" mcdonald's meal f...off" .

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  Viviane

  On my first dates, I generally offer a small sportscar

  I read that as "sport scar" and wondered exactly what you are into. NTTAWWT.
  
  
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  While that is not true as far as I can see, we could well have a computer program running in our brains that is like RAM in a computer and that this is our soul. Atheist hate this idea because computer souls would need programmer to set the code. And if this is true then we are forming new souls as we compute, and perhaps one day our computers will say hello to us, and ask where did I come from. Somebody tell Tyson that he is proving God, in his own image.

  First of all, brains don't work like RAM. There could be a god. There could be a million gods. Why do you think that idea bothers me? If you show me evidence for it, we should investigate it. Same thing with a simulation. It could be true, but there is nothing to suggest it's true at all.

  What is a soul anyway? Computing? That's just a metaphor. Unless you can tell me what a "soul" is, then you're not saying anything meaningful about them.
  
  
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  Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

  by shadow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

  fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

  the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

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  Viviane

  what I am trying to say viv is that natural selection is starting to look a liittle strained and that there are other processes at work too. (leave the rest as it seems to be confusing you)

  I am only confused by jumbled word salads that don't say anything. In what sense is it strained? What do you think natural selection is? What other processes?
  
  
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  Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

  by shadow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

  fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

  the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

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  Viviane

  this is where natural selection starts to become a little strained and starts to resemble a deus di machina. there are other processes at work too you know - those snakes trying to copulate look suspiciously like genetic draft
  edit: apologies that should read deus eks machina but my point re genetic piggy backing stands

  What in the actual F are you trying to say? Genetic piggy backing drift, deus ex machina?
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  Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

  by shadow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

  fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

  the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

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  Viviane

  So, natural selection is actually not working for the snakes?

  No, of course it works. That's like saying because the moon hasn't crashed into the earth, gravity isn't working.

  Your understanding of what natural selection does is wrong is what you are being told. And what it actually is.
  
  
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  Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

  by shadow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

  fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

  the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

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  Viviane

  Jacobm, that's not natural selection.
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  How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

  no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

  we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

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  Viviane

  Ruby, learn what words mean. Commenting on a public forum is not intervevening. You just say that because you have no evidence on your side.

  I quit commenting on your threads because I've lost interest in wallowing in bullshit. I literally quit caring enough because you don't care to better yourself. If you can't be bothered, why should I?
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  Evolution vs Creation.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
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  looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.

  q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.

  i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.

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  Viviane

  Anyway with the greatest respect Vivianne I believe many " people" come here looking for answers, yet with your sharp and logical mind, I believe many "people" leave here not understanding your fascinating and compassionate heart.

  what does an answer have to do with my heart? If you ask what 2+2 is, the answer has nothing to do with whether or not some is a murderer or a social worker.

  Well I gave it my most positive shot, because I am sure no past or present poster has thought you evil, but surviving with you is a challenge :-)

  I've no idea what you mean. I am sure some people do think I am evil. So what? What do I care if someone values feeling good over reality?
  

  What makes a poster feel qualified to comment with absolute authority on any subject?

  What makes you think anyone even slightly educated in logic would fall for this strawman?
  

  Or, to put it another way, what makes a poster feel qualified to comment on other posters with absolute authority, such as this OP?

  
  
  
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  Evolution vs Creation.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.

  q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.

  i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.

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  Viviane

  What makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?

  Welp, this is just a strawman.....Also, when you have an A), there should be a B), otherwise the A) is pointless.
  

  for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words on a page in an " awake" magazine, so whilst FACTS, and images are great,the vehicle that will remove cognitively baffled minds will eventually be threads from the heart not logic.

  That was true for most of us as well, but we put the work in to learn. Why is it that so many who don't or won't put the work in want to be convinced using emotions? And this is science. Literally the point of it is to remove emotion and bias.