Posts by Viviane

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There Was No First Human
by cofty in
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this excellent 4 minute video will help to clear up a few common misunderstandings regarding evolution.. ....
Viviane

you don't evolve from something that still exists...

That's exactly how evolution works. It's been observed in action.

Either there was a phenomenonal mutation (which wipes out the previous species) or an implementation of a new a species all together.

That's exactly the opposite of how evolution works.

Fish are still here..and if only some species of fish "evolved", why not all species of fish?

Back up. Explain why you think all fish would evolve into a new species at the same time?

More importantly, why was there a need to evolve? A message like the one presented provides no insight into this fundamental question. Darwin failed miserably at it. And I challenge any evolutionist to show proof of a NEED for humans to have evolved from any other species that lived on this planet.

To survive under changing environmental conditions, for one. But, in any event, populations change over time, regardless, that's a fact. It just IS. Need may not have anything to do with it.
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There Was No First Human
by cofty in
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2. beliefs
this excellent 4 minute video will help to clear up a few common misunderstandings regarding evolution.. ....
Viviane

You said we cannot program bug-free programs. Which is false a simple hello program proves you wrong.

First, that's not what I said AND I explicitely exluded Hello World, so no, I wasn't. Secondly, you didn't write bug free software, you can't claim to have written bug free software as, just like your attempts as providing your filter and test for "human?", there are unknown things that you can't ever know if you have found out. You can't EVER say a program is bug free, at best you can say "we haven't found any", IOW, exactly what I said, the software is at the highest known state of quality.

Thanks for showing them, but I am not really interested in particular in your credentials. Thanks, though, they sound impressive.

If it does exaclty what the customer/specs requested without crashing is bug-free.

This is non-sense. You said you tested against injection attacks and then didn't didn't make sure it passed because they aren't exposed. Both can't be true.

In any event, this thread is not the place to discuss this, start a thread if you want to continue. I may or may not join.
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There Was No First Human
by cofty in
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2. beliefs
this excellent 4 minute video will help to clear up a few common misunderstandings regarding evolution.. ....
Viviane

Why is it garbage, Maat13?
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There Was No First Human
by cofty in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
this excellent 4 minute video will help to clear up a few common misunderstandings regarding evolution.. ....
Viviane

Viviane I have developed bug-free programs and know of many programmers that have done it as well but if you say is impossible I'll take your word for it

Oh? You tested it against injection attacks, man in the middle attacks, did boundary testing, looked for race conditions, ensured proper garbage collection, memory leaks, made sure all input strings had an enforced format, etc., all with a team of testers trained to look for bugs? Interesting, unless you were writing "Hello World."

The debate goes on if Zeno's paradoxes have been solved. I have agreed with you guys that in practice what I propose is impossible.

In theory, also. You have an infinite n+1 problem without the ability to know if you ever reached n+1. It's actually worse that n+1, it's actually n+unknown with a bit P/NP thrown in.
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IF THERE WAS NO FIRST HUMAN.....
by DATA-DOG in
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...and new species of "humans" have appeared gradually, do we have "x-men" amoung us??

so many people are willing to automatically discount abilities that cannot, as of yet, be explained by our current scientific knowledge.

is it too frightening to entertain the idea that there are new and possibly better "humans" in our ranks?
Viviane

Explain human ecolocation without developing extra organs.

What Cofty said, but with emphasis. Ears.

Not at all. I mentioned many other "abilities" as well. Besides, you would need to prove with absolute certainty that those other thing do not exist.

You're implying that if a human can do it, it's not "super". Therefore a human can't have super-powers.
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IF THERE WAS NO FIRST HUMAN.....
by DATA-DOG in
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...and new species of "humans" have appeared gradually, do we have "x-men" amoung us??

so many people are willing to automatically discount abilities that cannot, as of yet, be explained by our current scientific knowledge.

is it too frightening to entertain the idea that there are new and possibly better "humans" in our ranks?
Viviane

Exactly. I never mentioned super powers. You would need to prove with absolute certainty what a "human" is capable of to say what is and what is not a "super power." That has not been done, nor can it be, since "eveolution is ongoing.

So your OP was self-negating?
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There Was No First Human
by cofty in
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this excellent 4 minute video will help to clear up a few common misunderstandings regarding evolution.. ....
Viviane

Perhaps there's one latched onto the embryo from early on, reading its DNA before it's even born.

And by then there are 10 more embryos per second. Still can't keep up. And some people will opt out and every individual born has genetic drift so that has to be taken into account, etc., etc..

It literally could not ever happen.
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There Was No First Human
by cofty in
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this excellent 4 minute video will help to clear up a few common misunderstandings regarding evolution.. ....
Viviane

Well, it is doable, just for the record. One word: nanomachines.

Nope, by the time you implant a nanomachine in a newborn, there is still another born, so you are still beind. Plus, the example is not explaining any ways to interpret many possible outcomes or potential problems with even defining the standard.
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IF THERE WAS NO FIRST HUMAN.....
by DATA-DOG in
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2. beliefs
...and new species of "humans" have appeared gradually, do we have "x-men" amoung us??

so many people are willing to automatically discount abilities that cannot, as of yet, be explained by our current scientific knowledge.

is it too frightening to entertain the idea that there are new and possibly better "humans" in our ranks?
Viviane

Not at all like that, Vidiot. Feathers and scales are made of the same material but assembled differently. These are the same abilites, just an extreme versions.
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IF THERE WAS NO FIRST HUMAN.....
by DATA-DOG in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
...and new species of "humans" have appeared gradually, do we have "x-men" amoung us??

so many people are willing to automatically discount abilities that cannot, as of yet, be explained by our current scientific knowledge.

is it too frightening to entertain the idea that there are new and possibly better "humans" in our ranks?
Viviane

None of those abilities are unique, just extreme versions of abilities most people already have...