Viviane

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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

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  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  Viviane

  OTOH, I wrote "intelligents" vs. "intelligence", so there's that :)
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  Viviane

  LOL, so glad there are some intelligent posters on this board able to cut thru bullshit and poor reasoning

  WMF, In my opinion, there are a lot of intelligent posters here. It take a lot of work to change the way we think and a desire to do it. Critical thinking isn't just something we acquire once we leave the cult. I think a lot of people here have deeply held beliefs and it's a fair amount of work to realize they may need to be evalutated critically and potentially discarded.

  The point I am making is that intelligents doesn't necessarily have anything to do with having learned and had the opportunity to practice critical thinking.
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  Viviane

  I know I am late to the party however having read Dr Lanzas book I also feel that life and consciousness are seperate.

  Why?

  Also the fact that atoms are not solid and yet solid objects are full of atoms.

  Atoms are invisible and I am made of atoms, therefore I must be invisible.

  Do you see the fallacy there? Also, look up the strong nuclear force.

  To me it sounds reasonable and I think that there are many things that we do not yet understand.

  True, but not understanding something we see is different from assuming something exists for which there is no proof.
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  Viviane

  Mad Giant, With all due respect you have not even attempted to explain the entangled particle experiment which clearly demonstrates that the OBSERVER ALONE generates the outcome of partical formation and not the measuring apparatus, let alone the time distortion characteristics. If you could explain it, you would immediately receive the nobel prize for saving naturalism.

  Perry, you haven't shown that to be the case. At all. Not even close. You have all your work ahead of you. You've not even explained what time distortion you are referring to.

  Your fine tuning argument is the equivalent of a puddle claiming how the hole was perfectly designed to fit it. If the universe were any other way, we wouldn't be here to comment upon it.

  Now, back to your original argument. Please answer the questions you've been asked and demonstrate your leap from superposition of states to Jesus. Connect the dots. Be specific.
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  Viviane

  I have an opinion just like everyone else.

  Not all opinions are equal.
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  Viviane

  The body is surrounded by an aura.

  The aura contains all the pertinant data of the body, knowledge and experience

  What is this aura made of? How dies it store information? How does it receive and transmit this information? How does it differentiate between experience and knowledge?

  Another 2 cent possibility is that all our thoughts everything that goes through our brain/mind

  goes directy to God.

  It's also just as possible that we live in a universe made from unicorn lava teacups. As soon as reality, observation and evidence are removed as a criteria, any and all ideas, no matter how ridiculous, suddenly acquire equal footing.
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  Viviane

  But it has been PROVEN that the measuring device is NOT involved in the collapse of a particle's wave function.

  Show me where that has be proven.

  Once this is demonstrated, the idea of "mind over matter" is further bolstered by even more precise experiments that will allow for only, say a 70% chance of knowing which slit the particle emerged from. The result? You guessed it - 30% wave pattern and 70% double band pattern.

  Actually, no one guessed it. You just entirely made that up.

  Further, the fact that time is irrelevant and that the "knowing" is what produces the effects, even "after" the fact, demonstrates that if the mind is creating the results, then this apparatus exists at some level outside of "time" as we normally experience it. - Bye, bye Naturalism.

  Except you just also made that up.

  Explain how time is irrelevant. Show one source that says the observer can rig the results. Show how, even if that were true, it makes time irrelevant.

  You've still got all your work to do ahead of you.
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  YOUNG EARTH?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
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  young earth creationists (like dr. john morris) are taken to task in an article producing the following statistics:.

  let's begin with today's population of the earth (estimated) 6,623,924,220. call it 6 billion.. now, let's go back to noah and his family after the flood.

  but--let's take the baby steps necessary to get from 8 people to our goal of 6 billion.. why?

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  Viviane

  That's nice, Vanderhoven, but it doesn't connect the dots to a young earth. You still have to show us why it fits.
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  Does consciousness end with the death of the body

  by givemejustalittlemoretime in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  apparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.

  they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.

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  Viviane

  I'll address it, Perry.

  Your statement "The experiments PROVE that not only is human observation and planning ALONE the determining factor, but also time and distance is irrelevant:".....

  Let's talk about that. That statement alone is pretty good evidence that you neither understand the experiment, the inplications or what you are saying. The "observer effect" you are referring to can be re-created with a measuring device and disappears on large scale.

  Time and distance are in fact relevant in wave function collapse. What you are trying to say, without knowing it, is "at some small scale, it's possible for there to be a quantum superposition of states. Therefore, Jesus."

  The fundamental problem with that is you've got no connective tissues, nothing binding it together, no evidence.

  Back tothe drawing board for you.
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  YOUNG EARTH?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  young earth creationists (like dr. john morris) are taken to task in an article producing the following statistics:.

  let's begin with today's population of the earth (estimated) 6,623,924,220. call it 6 billion.. now, let's go back to noah and his family after the flood.

  but--let's take the baby steps necessary to get from 8 people to our goal of 6 billion.. why?

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  Viviane

  The Encyclopaedia Britannica claims that by the time of Christ, the world’s population was about 300 million. That estimation fits far better with young earth, post Noachian population expectations than it does hundreds of thousands of years of human existence.

  Connect the dots. How does that fit better with a young earth? What evidence is there? Walk me through this.