Posts by Viviane

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Is truth relative?

by Pinku in

seeing various/changing laws on the same action, some may feel truth is relative, and there is no such thing as right and wrong.. yet a closer look at beneath the details would show that truth is not relative, and everyone knows what is right and wrong.. driving in the night by putting the head-light off is wrong, but right when country is in war with another country.

behind both the conflicting laws, the truth is same: safety and welfare of the people.

this is true of notion about what is right and wrong:.

Viviane

Communication with spirit world is no longer a grand-mother tale.

Correct, it's 100% lies.

Unless, of course, you can tell us what "spirit" is made of and prove it. Then you might have a starting point.

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Will JW.ORG actually harm the WT Society Long Term ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

my son and i were discussing this yesterday over coffee.

since the wt society in previous years virtually demonized going on the internet at all for jw's - now wt leaders are doing a complete turn around or about face probably so as to " compete " or keep up with all the anti-jw websites that are out there to give the wt society point of view.. however- it very well may backfire on them as once people start doing google searches looking for jw.org it will bring up all the other websites dealing with any jw issues and in the privacy of their own homes out of curiosity i'm sure lots of jw's are going to want to check out some of these sites to see what all the " apostate " hoopla is all about.

i wonder how many jw's will do this and will it have an effect in opening more minds to other views ?

Viviane

It certainly seems like the watchtower is attempting to bury its past. How long before all the old literature begins to disappear from the kingdom hall libraries? They are beginning to look more and more like the Catholic church with each passing year.

As they put more stuff online, it will be easier to compare content in the past with current content with the help of tools like the Way Back Machine.

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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Viviane

in other words no acceleratin in the center of earth and less acceleration in a mineshaft. Also no acceleration inside a hollow sphere. Hope that clears something up.

That's not true. You yourself just proved it by saying "less acceleration ina mineshaft".

bohm: thank you and we remember that acceleration is equivalent to the pull of gravity.

Finding someone to agree that you are wrong doesn't make you right. You've still a ton of math you said you could show that, as far as you shown, you don't even comprehend.

Unless, of course, you can show that math.

Follow the the graph line of the strength of the gravitational pull from the maximum at the surface (if any) to the zero at the center, one realises there is a steady or incremental decline.

Case in point, you keept mixing "gravitational pull" with claiming "no gravity". Very wildly different things that you can't seem to grasp. Also, quantum physics pretty makes your "no gravity in the center" idea impossible no matter how you word it.

Unless, of course, you can show that math.

This means that the layer above, like layers down a mine shaft have CRASED to contribute to the strength of the downward pull. how otherwise could the force have declined? It follows that if the inner layers of your choice could be removed, there would be no gravity force left.

Or, it means you don't understand math, gravity or arithmetic, as you've shown by using every excuse in the book to avoid showing the math you claimed you could to.

What gravity is, a property of mass, a tensioning of space, an exchange of graviton-radiation, the action of the Hicks Boson, does not matter here.

And you just proved, with that statement, you understand absolutely none of the things you claim. Well, that statement and dozens of others.

Unless you can, as you claimed, show the math.

These ideas are fine in an ideal scenario, like the Laws of motion of Kepler, working only for point-masses. You do not want to be OVER-MASS (you can not be overweight) floating inside that gravity-free cavity and pull the fragile ceiling down when coming too close.

Seriously? You're argument is that because star (or galaxial or galaxial superclusters, also) aren't spherical, that's your proof that gravity in a sphere cancels itself out? Using that very very very very very bad logic, you would float off the planet, the star wouldn't be shining and we wouldn't exist.

I say again to EVERYTHING you've said....show your math. I loathe and despise the spreading of bad, lazy thiking and pseudoscience and that is EXACTLY what you are selling. I have children that I have worked very hard to educate outside of the nonesense of the WT, I will be dead before I let charlatans spread idiot ideas in the name of science to dumb them or anyone else back down.

Show your math. Put up or shut up.

These ideas are fine in an ideal scenario, like the Laws of motion of Kepler, working only for point-masses. You do not want to be OVER-MASS (you can not be overweight) floating inside that gravity-free cavity and pull the fragile ceiling down when coming too close.

Weight is not the same as mass. At ALL. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Also, Kepler was a good starting point but ultimately wrong about several things, as we will all eventually be. You are wrong on several things now, easily proven.

Unless, of couse, you can show your math, which, strangely, you have argued against doing again and again.

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Faith - Virtue or Vice?

by nicolaou in

faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

why be dishonest with yourself?

Viviane

And another topic drowns beneath the 'he said - she said' waves. Thanks guys.

Or, it exposes those who have nothing better to do than spout BS and those who can spot that BS.

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Saturday morning field service is a joke

by hoser in

i havent been going door to door saturday mornings for since i can't remember when.

i have been putting in regular reports to the congregation but the last time i actually went on a door was probably six months ago or so and it has been at least 2 years since i did a saturday morning.

9:30 we showed up to the group arrangement, we waited outside because we were not sure that it was the right place.

Viviane

I live in a nice, safe historic neighborhood laid out on a grid with sidewalks in a small town with three congregations and an assembly hall. In the two years I have lived here, JWs have stopped exactly once and even then, all they did was say "We are handing this out to our neighbors" and left. They handed me a tract.

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Faith - Virtue or Vice?

by nicolaou in

faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

why be dishonest with yourself?

Viviane

I did not bring up that subject! Viviane asked: " Is sex out of wedlock wrong?" I showed he knows the answer putting another question. You would note that I did not answer question " Is sex out of wedlock wrong?

You gave a meaningless non-answer. You claim knowledge, but prevaricate and pontificate when actually asked to provide something. Like so many other religious posters, trying to figure exactly what you mean and whether or not it's useful is like trying to nail jello to a wall.

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Faith - Virtue or Vice?

by nicolaou in

faith gives you permission to believe that jesus actually did feed thousands with a few loaves & fishes, walk on water and rise from the grave.

all the evidence proves that none of this happened so why persist with faith?

why be dishonest with yourself?

Viviane

I said that the use of the word "faith" in the OP was not in reference to that particular meaning. Viviane, you are dead wrong and it is unfortunate you didn't take your own advice and "know what your talking about before declaring someone else wrong."

Wrong again! The OP didn't specifiy a particular definition and it's not your right nor priviledge to tell another poster they used the wrong one! How could she possibly have transposed something that was never specified?

I'm not sure why you are on a personal vandetta with all of my posts and comments to "prove me wrong" but the only person you're making look like a "blowhard" (your words) is yourself.

Ignorance combined with arrogance. You don't rate a vendetta, dear. It's just delicious irony to point out the errors of someone who's whirlwind entrance was to tell us all how stupid we are and continues to do so even while unable to see his own.

Remove the rafter from thine own eye.

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

.

Viviane

Caedes, MASH, these are just fun exercises, and certainly not prologos' original thoughts, so what would be there to apologise for?

For wilfully spreading misinformation and making claims to be able to do all kinds of math that you clearly can't do.

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

.

Viviane

Caedes, I am internet challenged. but take a piece of paper and draw a xy axis coordinate system one with garvity up, with distance increasing to the right to the right. Use any values, but to get to the other side of the world, to the bottom left, you have to pass through the ZERO point in the center.

That's not how gravity works.

The planets are in free fall, basically zero gravity.

They fall because of gravity. You've got it exactly backwards.

It is a comforting thought that even during the big bang ther was zero gravity at the center of the universe, and it still is.

Even if anything you are saying were true, the universe would have to be a perfect sphere for this statement to be true. It's not.

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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

by Crazyguy in

my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

.

Viviane

So, personally I love to see people such as yourself take the time to evidentially prove woo wrong. However, I am not sure I missed the point entirely?

Apparently not. Apologies!