Posts by Viviane

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Dating processes why the big differences?

by Crazyguy in

i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

Viviane

This in itself gives this documentary some merit.

Oh? Please explain specifically and clearly why a documentary by two non-scientist creationist pushing discredited, distorted and proven dishonest pseudoscience deserves any merit.

Is it being spun to some degree or is the story told with some bias? No doubt. But then we are all adults and can come to our own conclusions.

Given that all you are doing is pushing credence to pseudoscience and changing the subject as often as you can, not all of us are acting or thinking like adults.

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Dating processes why the big differences?

by Crazyguy in

i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

Viviane

Just how "are two non-scientists creationists making standard anti-science and disproved creationist claims" in this video/documentary?

Hi, have you met Google? If not, Google wanted me to remind you that I'm not your research assistant. She also wanted me to let you know that, if you don't know anything about this video and the people behind it, maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be debating it's merits. That's called an argument from ignorance. Google it!

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Dating processes why the big differences?

by Crazyguy in

i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

Viviane

I dont really care about this documentary even though it was interesting again my question was related to the science of dating material and why there seems to be no consistency in the results.

The people behind the documentary are creationists with an agenda the requires discrediting known science and evidence.

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Dating processes why the big differences?

by Crazyguy in

i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

Viviane

Ultimately truth wins out but sometimes it can take decades or more. The above documentary is some proof of that IMHO.

How, specifically, are two non-scientists creationists making standard anti-science and disproven creationist claims proof that mega corporations or governments are distorting science, evidence and hiding the origins of man for profit?

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How would you respond?!?!?

by DATA-DOG in

an eldub recently said, " sure, we have changed many beliefs in the last 100 years, but christendom has had 2,000 years to clean up their act an they haven't done it.".

this was prompted by today's wt session which mentioned nathan knorr's eager acceptance of rutherford's refinements concerning the 1,260 days.

of course, he also said that he can't really keep up with everything.

Viviane

So their both poop, just one is more poop? That's a great slogan, "Our religion: Less poop than theirs"

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Dating processes why the big differences?

by Crazyguy in

i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

Viviane

Viviane are you stating that all the dating processes used were manipulated by the makers of the documentary?

Did I say that?

Or these guys that dated the material not experts in their field?

Did I say that?

I would think if there was a conspiracy by the creators of the show or the ones in it, they would of had some consistency in the dating not the wide range of dating that came out.

They guys who created the material the documentary is based on are Vedic creationists. Like every other creationist out there pushing an agenda that doesn't comport with reality, they seek to cause confusion. They use outliers or mistakes and distort data to prop up their agenda. Their agenda, BTW, is to push their version of creationism. Consistent scientific results show the opposite of what they want, it's in their interest to have conflicting results. There is no conspiracy, they are simply and utterly misrepresenting data in every way they can.

Im not sure if this happens at other sites as well but how can any dating science be taken seriously if no two can come up with the same timeline?

You are being lied to and falling for it.

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Dating processes why the big differences?

by Crazyguy in

i watched a documentary last night where they found old bones and spear heads in mexico.

this work was originally started in the 60s but they went back over the decades.

the main researcher dated the items at about 20,000 years old.

Viviane

It shouldn't surprise us that information and even facts can be suppressed by powerful institutions for their own agendas, protecting their "status quo" so to speak.

Science is rewarded ONLY for changing the status quo. If you think scientists, in general, are interested in preserving the status quo, you've science exactly backwards.

As far as the Brahmic Veda connection, at least it was no where mention in the film and I doubt that can be tied to any of the original archaeologist at the site as a motive for their work.

The authors of the book and documentary are neither archeologists nor scientists of any kind. Amazing what five minutes on Google can show you.

Michael A. Cremo (born July 15, 1948), also known by his devotional name Drutakarmā dāsa, is an American freelance researcher who identifies himself as a Vedic creationist and an "alternative archeologist"[1][2][3] and argues that humans have lived on the earth for billions of years

Richard Leslie Thompson, also known as Sadaputa Dasa[4] (February 4, 1947 – September 18, 2008), was an American mathematician,[2][3] author and Gaudiya Vaishnava religious figure, known principally for his promotion of Vedic creationism [5] and as the co-author (with Michael Cremo) of Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race (1993), which has been widely criticised by the scientific community

One thing for sure is that this site has been shut down by powerful entities who are not concerned about the story these artifacts tell.

In what way is that "for sure"?

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Site Update: Jan 10, 2015

by Simon in

i've made some updates to the user section of the site.

besides some cosmetic tweaks the most notable new feature is the ability to see a listing of the topics someone has posted on - this includes topics they started as well as topics they replied to.. it will look like this when you go to a user page or your own profile page:.

simon.

Viviane

Thankfully the USA left home a long time ago. We are no longer to blame.

You're just jealous because you Scottish still have the English training wheels on ;)

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Site Update: Jan 10, 2015

by Simon in

i've made some updates to the user section of the site.

besides some cosmetic tweaks the most notable new feature is the ability to see a listing of the topics someone has posted on - this includes topics they started as well as topics they replied to.. it will look like this when you go to a user page or your own profile page:.

simon.

Viviane

You might want to select proper English as opposed to the strange lingo that has evolved in the former colony.

That's racist against New Zealand.

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When they ask in exasperation; "But what if it IS the Truth?"

by nicolaou in

this is how robert ingersoll responded to a fundamentalist's question, 'what if it's the truth?

' back in the 19th century.

"why," they say to me, "suppose all this should turn out to be true, and you should come to the day of judgement and find all these things to be true.

Viviane

I had someone say that to me the other day, I said a version of that plus something like "Out of the 30,000 known gods and goddesses throughout history, what if any of the others were right? What if Islam, Judaism, worship of Thor, Odin, Ra, Jupiter, Zoroaster, Mithra, Ebisu or ANY others is the one you should have been worshiping or, what if you DID get the right god but the wrong sect? There are over 30000 of those around today and hundreds of others that are barely known to historians? You're asking me to bet how I live my entire life on those odds? On the odds that you, out of all of history, have figured out the right god, the right way to worship with the right rituals?