Posts by Viviane

you have to believe. not study, but believe. You see, studying so called evidence takes nothing from you to do. You just open a book and let your eyes twirl. Having faith takes the integrity mixed with your inner power.

Oh, my mistake. I didn't realize you were advocating being dumber to believe in God. Hippolytus you are not.

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Why people don't believe in God

by pressman in

do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?

well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.

they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.

Viviane

Now I would like to invite everyone on this forum to wake up and open your eyes to see that God is true and real. For he is God the Lord. The creator and ruler of all. As the scrolls say: "But as ye God is trueth, our wordeth toward you was not yea and nay."

God is real, indeed. I pray you wake as well.

This Book is not to be doubted.... As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.

Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10;

Wait, you were talking about Allah, right? The one true God? Because if not, I've no idea what infidel religion you are talking about.

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Why people don't believe in God

by pressman in

do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?

well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.

they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.

Viviane

Do you want to know why I think people don't believe in God? Well I believe people don't want to believe in God because they are scared.

You asked if we wanted to know and then said your erroneous belief. Are you confusing "belief" with "fact"?

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A couple questions for atheists on Suffering

by little_Socrates in

who told you that the world should be free from suffering?.

do you find any value in suffering?.

do you think it is possible to experience all the beauty and goodness and pleasure the world offers without also experiencing the bad?

Viviane

If you think about it, a world without world suffering would be nonsensical. Let me put it this way, you can't know light if there never was darkness. In the same manner you couldn't know suffering without happiness.

So, can a child enjoy NOT being raped without having been raped?

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A couple questions for atheists on Suffering

by little_Socrates in

who told you that the world should be free from suffering?.

do you find any value in suffering?.

do you think it is possible to experience all the beauty and goodness and pleasure the world offers without also experiencing the bad?

Viviane

its like you two are having a conversation with yourselves - so now who believes in imaginary beings? Caedes and viv

You're the one who thinks child rape has value.

fyi, Viviane, that is called a "straw man" argument ......... I leave it to YOU to figure it out.

It's actually not at all a straw man argument. I'm not sad you've left.

the reasoning seems to follow the line that if you are not with us then you must be against us and if you are against us you must be a theist. I'm more surprised that Caedes seems to be adopting this line of thought than viv.

You've claimed suffering has value. You've been asked if that means child rape has value. You've said it can produce valuable things.

Please tell me which part of your argument I've misrepresented.

here is what viv accuses me of and I thought i was being very clear that I am not arguing this at all

That's exactly 100% what you are arguing.

as to viv's arguments if she had followed my pov without bias then she would clearly see that I am actually arguing the opposite of what she accuses me of here as i am most definitely not arguing that there is value in suffering itself although little socrates may be arguing from that pov.

You've literally said that there was value in suffering, meaning there is value in child rape. Are you now NOT claiming that? How do you mostly not argue it? I've accused you of nothing. I merely state your position and argument.

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Some Questions About Jesus

by Coded Logic in

why didn't jesus ever write anything?

why are there no letters to jesus?

no painting of jesus from that time?

Viviane

Thanks for the research Viv.
Extra-biblical testimony to Jesus is a lie that christians keep telling each other.

Thanks Cofty. So it would appear.

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Some Questions About Jesus

by Coded Logic in

why didn't jesus ever write anything?

why are there no letters to jesus?

no painting of jesus from that time?

Viviane

Off to an Easter party now, I'll get back to this tomorrow. Good debate though.

It's not a debate! You've made a lot of claims that don't hold up under even minimal scrutiny.

Have fun at your party!

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Some Questions About Jesus

by Coded Logic in

why didn't jesus ever write anything?

why are there no letters to jesus?

no painting of jesus from that time?

Viviane

This is all about a historical Jesus

I've not debated whether a man named Jesus existed. In fact, many did and that is quite well established. It was a rather common name.

not about the accuracy of the bible as we have it today.

It's well established it is NOT accurate.

As for who killed him, the Romans may have carried out the deed, but it was the Sanhedrin who ordered it.

According to the Bible they ASKED for it. Big big difference. The Sanhedrin didn't have the ability to order the Romans to do anything and that IS a historical fact.

Unless you can find any historical documents talking about a man like Jesus that ALL jews embraced and that none of them were calling for him to be put to death, but that the Romans themselves did this, then it stands it really was the Jews responsible for it.

Sorry, that's not how it works. It's a fact that, according to the Bible, the Romans killed Jesus, that it was their decision. There no actual historical documents about a man like Jesus at all, and the quasi-semi-historical documents we do have is clear that the Jews asked and the Romans agreed and did the deed.

Even the ancient contemporary scholars as my previous posts show they believed that as well.

You've not quoted any scholars, but rather religious texts promoting a clearly false and contradictory point of view.

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Some Questions About Jesus

by Coded Logic in

why didn't jesus ever write anything?

why are there no letters to jesus?

no painting of jesus from that time?

Viviane

I fixed crucified before you had replied, but yes he said murdered

He said executed, actually.

Now as for the Romans killing him, the Romans were an instrument.

The Romans killed him.

Who called for this death?

Pontius Pilate, the only Roman at the time and place that could.

IF the 'wise king' who the Jews murdered, then their city was ABOLISHED shortly after

The text says "kingdom was abolished", NOT "city". Jews had no kingdom at the time Jesus was killed, nor was he ever king.

Mara is asserting that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD happened not too long after the murder of the Wise King of the Jews.

Mara never once said any such thing. You are literally making that up.

As he did disasters that befell those who killed Socrates. So if it's not Jesus, who else fits the bill?

An actual king who was executed and whose kingdom was shortly thereafter abolished. None of those match Jesus.