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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  2. friends

  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Viviane

  DNA.... From rocks bumping into each other.... Sigh....

  Maybe Perry the Fibber is thinking about his hot date last night.
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  I wonder if you can be spiritual and religious at the same time??

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok again i would like to apologise as i did come across preachy.

  i am not going to debate whether or not i am a bk as you have your opinions either way.

  what i was trying to write though was my thoughts and feelings which i hope don't offend anyone on this forum.

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  Viviane

  DJS sounds as though you may be frightened of 'self induced emotions'.

  He didn't say anything that sounded like fear. If anything, his statement was dispassionate.
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  I wonder if you can be spiritual and religious at the same time??

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok again i would like to apologise as i did come across preachy.

  i am not going to debate whether or not i am a bk as you have your opinions either way.

  what i was trying to write though was my thoughts and feelings which i hope don't offend anyone on this forum.

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  Viviane

  Yes Vivian I call him God you can call him creator or whoever but there is a lot of beauty to enjoy each day.

  I don't call something like that anything. What does a god that causes the death of everything that ever lived have to do with beauty?

  I would hope that each of us would set a little time aside to appreciate some of it. The beauty can be found in nature, in music, in poetry, in dance.

  You're missing the point. You said we NEED to appreciate the beauty God gave us. What, functionally, is different from appreciating a sunset because we know scientifically how it works vs. appreciating it because you believe in God? What need is going unfulfilled in the former that's being met in the latter.

  Look around Vivian, I think a lot of the ugly can be blamed on mankind.
  Vivian what are the circumstances of the child in the second picture?

  That is an infant that was born with leukemia. If your god gets credit for healthy children, why doesn't he get credit for the second?

  As far as blaming man, in the god scenario, we are god's children. You would not blame a child for accidentally pulling the trigger if a gun was left out, so why do you attempt to blame the children here? Why do you blame the victim? Why wouldn't you blame the really shitty parent that created all of these horrors?
  
  
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Viviane

  So the FACTS are to be discarded just because you don't like a website that lists scientific peer reviewed articles?

  Which facts are you referring to, Perry the Fibber?

  Please enlighten me as to where the millions of printed pages of information in DNA came from. Rocks bumping into each other?

  Show me these millions of printed pages that occurred in nature, Perry the Fibber.
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  I wonder if you can be spiritual and religious at the same time??

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok again i would like to apologise as i did come across preachy.

  i am not going to debate whether or not i am a bk as you have your opinions either way.

  what i was trying to write though was my thoughts and feelings which i hope don't offend anyone on this forum.

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  Viviane

  Cappytan,

  I've not found one yet that doesn't use special pleading or resort to circular arguments.

  I'll actually net the question down even further.

  If we give god praise for this:

  

  Why wouldn't we blame god for this:

  
  
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  I wonder if you can be spiritual and religious at the same time??

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok again i would like to apologise as i did come across preachy.

  i am not going to debate whether or not i am a bk as you have your opinions either way.

  what i was trying to write though was my thoughts and feelings which i hope don't offend anyone on this forum.

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  Viviane

  We need to appreciate all the beautiful things that God has put on the earth for us.

  Why? Why do we need to appreciate that God did it (in your opinion)? How is appreciating the world different with or without god and what need will go unfulfilled if it is appreciated without God?

  Does that also mean that we can blame God for all of the ugly things in the world? If not, why not?
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Viviane

  We all engage in Watchtower lingo drivel as entertainment at times. It was so manipulative and now is easy to see the a priori to the Wathctower in all their writings.

  Perry, you are amazingly dishonest. You pretend to speak for others, quote out of context, lie about science and the bible and create strawmen all the time. I dub you Perry the Fibber. You are a purveyor of fibs, a promoter of fibbing, one who buys, sells and trades in the business of fib.
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  Missing the point?! Is this what Jesus had in mind??

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  is this what jesus had in mind?

  to be a spiritual person you must:.

  underline your books.

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  Viviane

  I would guess the same place you received yours?

  If you did, that would be an example of why you shouldn't guess.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  I never said it was tactless to address lies or irrational viewpoints but it can be done with tact, humility and kindness.

  Yes, it can be. I used exactly the amount of tact, humility and kindness appropriate for a person I believe to be a retread of a cult recruiter.

  Going all out on the OP headstrong who is relatively new on the boards is something that must be taken with great caution.

  It is my belief that this person is not new in the least.

  Have a good day.

  You as well.
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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  Viviane

  Actually, let him speak even if he is instead of jumping all over him!

  No one is stopping or attempting to stop DW from speaking.

  but it appears to me that Deltawave is simply another disenchanted JW, looking for mature discussion. Too bad it got derailed by certain ones calling him a liar.

  DW is promoting BK teachings, a group who has previously tried to recruit for their cult here. Why is it a bad thing to suggest someone is a BK if they are promoting BK teachings?

  With regard to the lying, DW was telling lies. Why is calling a lie exactly what it is a bad thing?