Posts by Viviane

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

you have started 13 topics, it literally took less time than typing this post. "creepy". more deflection

So, you type really slow is what I am getting out of this, meaning you must have something similar to dyslexia or deformed hands. (see, we can all play the "make sh*t up" game, also, some of those topics were pages and pages long, so assuming your claim is true, you looked at topics titles and didn't bother reading them, meaning your basis for saying anything about my state of mind doesn't exist or you really haven taken a good bit of time to look into my past, which I do find kind of creepy).

I did notice that you are doing something you commented on in another thread. Making a suggestion and then subtly moving it to "fact". First, it was ask if I was happy. Reject the answer, of course, because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived notion. Then, find something that, to you, uneducated in psychology or psychiatry, "suggests" I'm suffering through a crisis. Then, when that claim is also shown as, to quote cofty, bollocks, move it to the realm of denial of my problems, meaning it MUST BE TRUE!

It's little more than a "have you stopped beating your wife" gotcha question.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

First, I think everyone, me included, should just take a nice, deep breath and relax.
Viv, I can't be bothered, on my day off from work, to dig up examples of how you treat anyone who either enters in a discussion with you, or believes in God.

I'm quite relaxed, thank you.

That's a pretty common thing, I've noticed. "Make claim about Viv, then can't be bothered with it". I do consider it necessary if you are going to assert that I've done something to someone, that, as Eden says, you show the urbanity to show me what I've done specifically to believers that you find objectionable.

Talsin, on this thread, didn't call you any names, Viv. She implied that you cower inside and she said that she pities you. Not nice words, but it is what it is.

I never claimed she did. I specifically did NOT claim that and instead paraphrased what she said.

I can be pretty argumentative, and sometimes need to calm down. Sometimes, I've gone over the top and had to apologize to people on this forum.

Me too. I just apologized on this forum. It happens.

I like Bohm's post, and think that (s)he may have a point.

Bohm couldn't possibly be more wrong if he had tried.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

Speaking for myself, I am slightly worried for you, or rather if I had your posting history I would *know* i was not in a happy place in my life. I tried to go over your past threads and you seemed a different person 2 years ago, much more happy and open to conversation with other people. In many ways you remind me of an atheistic version of a previous poster here, Brotherdan, who due to stressful life circumstances got pulled into a bad form of evangelism.

That's quite a bit of work you done looking into my past. It's kind of creepy how you keep wanting to talk about my feelings and life circumstances, both of which are exactly zero of your business.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

As long as you keep the accusation of me of being a liar and an hypocrite, save your words - apology not accepted.

I'm apologizing because my behavior was wrong and I acknowledge that and regret it. It's not a negotiating point for you to accept it or not. I really don't care that you lied about me or whether or not you accept it. I've done my part.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

Do you feel it is wrong to call someone names? Do you feel it is not the right way to have a productive conversation?

Depends on the conversation and the name, of course, of course :)

In general, if you are having a discussion and someone uses name calling as a tactic, then it is not likely to be productive, of course.

But is there a great need to "draw a line"? How many pro-NAMBLA supporters come onto this forum and start stating their beliefs?

Whether someone is here from NAMBLA or not is irrelevant to the question. We HAVE had many antivaxxers here, a subset of people who deny their children life-saving medical, but that is also irrelevant. I am trying to determine whether or not it is truly felt that we should respect all views and have a conversation about that or whether if it felt that we should draw a line somewhere because, if we draw the line somewhere, the conversation should be about that line and where it is and why.

Viv, I don't know if you've been called names on previous threads, but if you're smarting because someone on this thread called you "a walking argument", then that is as nothing compared to how you've treated individuals who have the audacity to answer that they believe in God.

First, I'm not smarting from anything anyone online says about me. Personally, I find it quite amusing, kind of like when a kitten attacks a Rottweiler. It's JUST SO ADORABLE! However, it also allows us to see how forum members respond to personal attacks and give us a bit of insight into their perception vs. reality.

Specifically, who did I call names for believing in god? What personal attack did I make upon them? Is it OK for someone to call me names because of the perception that I hurt someone's else's feelings? Is it now OK to call names as long as it's directed at the right person? Are there now degrees of personal attacks the forum members are thinking is OK?

These questions will have interesting answers should anyone honestly answer them.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

That is some demand. Let's see that demand going through a court of law

Court of law? I've no idea what you are talking about or why such a thing would be brought up.

However, I do apologize to Eden for the "expect" hell comment. That was out of line in every way as you said.

Could be used as evidence to support StarTrekAngel's OP

The OP is about respecting others and their views. The OP (and, indeed no one here) has explained where they draw the line at at. NAMBLA? Antivaxxers? Religious parents that deny their children medical care?

Also, as far as respect goes, people on this thread have called me names, I've been lied about multiple times, it was suggested I was cowering inside and to be pitied by the same people that are saying we should respect everyone and their idea. It kinda makes what their saying seem a disingenuous, or at the very least that their "respect" extends to the moment they decide to join on a dogpile.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

It's virtually impossible discussing anything with Viviane. She's a walking argument who adds very little of value to threads. That is unless you agree with her. Even taking a neutral stance is prohibited.

I am sure the posters on this forum that dislike me will, for the sake of consistency and honesty, jump on this blatant instance of name calling by a poster who previously lied and quote mined me and say it's unacceptable, correct?

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

After I said on a previous post that I wasn't willing to go and dig up old threads to prove my point, you resorted to sarcasm to criticize me for that, and covertly affirmed that if I truly believed in "urbanity", I should back up my point with evidence.

I didn't "resort" to sarcasm. I'm offended by the boldness with which you so easily tell lies and make things up to suit your victim narrative. The hypocrisy you display is astounding. I used sarcasm because it was appropriate.

I think you're proving the point of the OP.

The OP claims we should respect all views but won't say whether or not he respects the views of NAMBLA, anti-vaxxers or religious people who let their children die rather than get medical care. It was really just an excuse to start a whining session about me, it seems.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

But since you so lightly accuse me of being a liar, and then attempt to damage my reputation by suggesting that everything I say may be suspect,

Don't BS this. I didn't lightly accuse you of anything. I demand that you prove proof of your BS or exect to be called on it. You made the accusations, you can 100℅ expect to reap the rewards of your posts and accusations.

That's how it works. You say shit about me, it ain't on me to deny it. It's on you to prove it or get dogged by it on every single post you make until you do or retract it because you accused the wrong person that won't stand even for half a second for foolish and idiotic lies.

So, post your proof, retract your comment and apologize or expect hell.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Viviane

Explain how have I lied?

You said I insisted on something. That is a BS lie. Unless you can quote where I insisted on something, I expect an apology for your absolute BS lie or you can expect every post I see of yours to call that out.

Quote up or shut up.