Viviane

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  Evolution vs Creation.

  by The Rebel in

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  looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.

  q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.

  i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.

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  Viviane

  What makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?

  Welp, this is just a strawman.....Also, when you have an A), there should be a B), otherwise the A) is pointless.
  

  for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words on a page in an " awake" magazine, so whilst FACTS, and images are great,the vehicle that will remove cognitively baffled minds will eventually be threads from the heart not logic.

  That was true for most of us as well, but we put the work in to learn. Why is it that so many who don't or won't put the work in want to be convinced using emotions? And this is science. Literally the point of it is to remove emotion and bias.
  
  
  
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  It's just very possible and highly likely as far as probabilities go that we are in a simulation.

  Why?

  
  
  
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
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  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  They are smart. Why don't you quote, in context, what they said for us on this subject? Go on.

  BTW, who is Neil Degrasse?

  Oh, the virtual universe you claim they simulated..... How many particles was that?
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
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  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  Exactly. "Just as valid" means, in this case, "exactly as pointless and useless".

  Also, that's not a picture of the universe.
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
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  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  Corollary question that's just as valid... Can you prove our universe is not just a molecule swirling in a unicorn toot?
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  How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

  by slimboyfat in

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  we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

  no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

  we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

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  Viviane

  My experience and reading indicates to me that JWs tend to leave JWs, not because their beliefs have been refuted, but because the beliefs and practice of being a JW have been displaced by their needs being met elsewhere.

  
  
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  How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

  no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

  we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

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  Viviane

  Logical arguments only work with people are are already convinced. Amd persuasion only works with people who want to be persuaded.

  Huh?

  Logical arguments work on people who understand logic (good logic) and are willing to use it. Persuasion works on people who are willing to be persuaded by whatever they deem as important.
  
  
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
  2. current

  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  I don't know how accurate that is, but again it makes you wonder about the usefulness of the distinction between reality and simulation.

  It's accurate in the same sense that a nuclear blast is a chance to re-landscape the garden and about as useful. It's a perfect example of Viv's Law. He is simply using a poor understanding of quantum state superpostion and wave function collapse to arrive at this idea of reality being "filled in". Many an armchair phsysicists attempting deep thoughts on reality have fallen into this trap.
  
  
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
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  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  Seems like someone doesn't know how proof or logic works. Or programming, compiling, beta and alpha testing, etc.