Viviane

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  Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

  by shadow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

  fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

  the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

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  Viviane

  Jacobm, that's not natural selection.
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  How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

  no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

  we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

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  Viviane

  Ruby, learn what words mean. Commenting on a public forum is not intervevening. You just say that because you have no evidence on your side.

  I quit commenting on your threads because I've lost interest in wallowing in bullshit. I literally quit caring enough because you don't care to better yourself. If you can't be bothered, why should I?
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  Evolution vs Creation.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.

  q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.

  i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.

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  Viviane

  Anyway with the greatest respect Vivianne I believe many " people" come here looking for answers, yet with your sharp and logical mind, I believe many "people" leave here not understanding your fascinating and compassionate heart.

  what does an answer have to do with my heart? If you ask what 2+2 is, the answer has nothing to do with whether or not some is a murderer or a social worker.

  Well I gave it my most positive shot, because I am sure no past or present poster has thought you evil, but surviving with you is a challenge :-)

  I've no idea what you mean. I am sure some people do think I am evil. So what? What do I care if someone values feeling good over reality?
  

  What makes a poster feel qualified to comment with absolute authority on any subject?

  What makes you think anyone even slightly educated in logic would fall for this strawman?
  

  Or, to put it another way, what makes a poster feel qualified to comment on other posters with absolute authority, such as this OP?

  
  
  
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  Evolution vs Creation.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.

  q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.

  i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.

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  Viviane

  What makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?

  Welp, this is just a strawman.....Also, when you have an A), there should be a B), otherwise the A) is pointless.
  

  for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words on a page in an " awake" magazine, so whilst FACTS, and images are great,the vehicle that will remove cognitively baffled minds will eventually be threads from the heart not logic.

  That was true for most of us as well, but we put the work in to learn. Why is it that so many who don't or won't put the work in want to be convinced using emotions? And this is science. Literally the point of it is to remove emotion and bias.
  
  
  
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
  2. current

  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
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  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  It's just very possible and highly likely as far as probabilities go that we are in a simulation.

  Why?

  
  
  
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
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  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  They are smart. Why don't you quote, in context, what they said for us on this subject? Go on.

  BTW, who is Neil Degrasse?

  Oh, the virtual universe you claim they simulated..... How many particles was that?
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
  2. current

  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  Exactly. "Just as valid" means, in this case, "exactly as pointless and useless".

  Also, that's not a picture of the universe.
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  Can you prove that our entire universe and existence is not a computer simulation?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
  2. current

  if you were a computer programmer and you were to create a simulated automated world, that would constantly evolve and self run after initial designs.

  first you would have to code the rules, laws, and core elements of this world.

  while this is being coded, the program is not run yet, so none of it exists.

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  Viviane

  Corollary question that's just as valid... Can you prove our universe is not just a molecule swirling in a unicorn toot?
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  How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

  no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

  we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

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  Viviane

  My experience and reading indicates to me that JWs tend to leave JWs, not because their beliefs have been refuted, but because the beliefs and practice of being a JW have been displaced by their needs being met elsewhere.