Posts by galaxie

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End shunning or lose tax free status

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

which would the watchtower choose if it came down to this in the united states or europe?

losing tax free status would mean losing millions of dollars.

ending shunning means people would leave by the boatloads.

galaxie

I am currently shunned by my father, I am not dfd I simply

faded many years ogo . I cannot visit my infirm mother who has been diag' with dementia although she still recognises me as her son and always welcomed my visits and company as it SHOULD be.

my father has chosen to shun my sister who is an active jw because she associates with me as it SHOULD be.

My brother (an elder) also disagrees with my father and has tried in vain to show him his reasoning is wrong this has had no change in his attitude.

Now the elders are involved they want to have a 'chat ' with both my father and my sister.

they have already talked with my father and information was imparted to my sister that my father told them I was dfd!!?

My brother the elder (who lives in another country ) has had to contact the elders in my fathers cong' to inform them I was never dfd.

so things are not just as black and white as some may think, and of course this whole unnecessary and hurtful practice causes deep pain to all involved.

all due to this hypocritical bunch of .......they can stick their religious freedoms and rights if this is what it causes where the sun don't shine.

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End shunning or lose tax free status

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

which would the watchtower choose if it came down to this in the united states or europe?

losing tax free status would mean losing millions of dollars.

ending shunning means people would leave by the boatloads.

Right Wing growth in UK and Europe.

by snare&racket in

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friends

anyone else finding it troubling?

anyone feel it represents their views?.

is it being reported in usa/australia etc?.

Scotlands bid for independence is driven by a very large extent to rid by democratic means the right wing of politics , which at the present Iis the overriding government which the vast majority of Scots do not vote for.

Scotland has in the main always been a democratic socialist country and wishes by becoming a nation in its own right to follow and apply those principles for the furtherment and benefit of its citizens.

teething troubles aside (and I'm sure there will be many ) I will support that cause.

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STARTING OVER with my Elderette - What Does the Bible REALLY Teach?

by Faithful Witness in

she said, "so, what made you decide to study this book?

at this point, she opened with a prayer.

"...and some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers.

galaxie

F.W.;...I'm sure there is a smokescreen with these ' red herrings ' I think your being ' kippered'. Lol

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

galaxie

Hi S&N ...I concur.

I do not believe ' A ' spirit exists as form other than the composite air we breath, as you point out when first the idea of spirit as breath was conjured the components of the air had no way of being scientifically analysed or given names it was just a force of some kind which entered and left the body, giving rise to unrealistic causes of such. The reverberations of which are still apparent today.

I would however say it is logical to assume life is connected to breathing.. stop breathing no life.

Perhaps I have taken you out of context.

Best wishes.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

galaxie

The explanation of the operation /mechanics of an engine allthough admirable,does not alter the fact that it is useless without the fuel the components of which existed before the engine was ever dreamed of. There is nothing mystical about that.

Likewise the functioning of a body which can be expertly explained, is useless without the fuel which also existed before the body existed, there is nothing mystical about that.

Both examples would not now exist without the processes( evolutionary) which produced an oxygen rich environment.

We could if we wish call spirit oxygen or nitrogen or take your pick, but evolutionary language, sounds, words definitions have brought us to the vocabulary we use.

One such word is spirit,,.what do we do with it consign it to the bin/trash never to be used again?

The O, P. chose to ask of those interested enough to proffer their opinions/explanations of what it is without specifying which definition .

My response was from the outset in human terms( nothing mystical ) that it IS simply the air we breath basically what has given us life, keeps us alive, existed before us,(given that other factors also contributed)but as in ancient cultures air we breathe was seen as spirit(nothing mystical unless you choose for whatever reason you make it mystical supernatural ).

The other definition as a descriptive for human traits as alluded to is also what spirit IS in our vocabulary

Spirit as gods, angels, demons and supernatural force, although so defined is as I have said hogwash imo.

Viv ...I said the act of breathing is NOT SPIRIT you misread.

Best wishes.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

galaxie

Hi viv;...sorry if I did not make my point clear,but when I refer to breathing I dont mean that the act of breathing is the spirit but is used in terms of taking breath (air oxygen)which is the bodies way of staying alive by using the force of the air in our lungs.

Similarly in Chinese spirit ' qi 'or ' chi ' is literally breath , air, gas.

I did not intend it as contradictory as you have seen it.

So to summarize, spirit is a word used in language with multiple meanings . Sometimes used to mean supernatural beings or influence, I disagree with that.

Sometimes as a descriptive to denote human traits attitudes etc, as you have alluded to, I understand that definition.

Sometimes used to mean in human context the physical air we breath allowing us the force of breathing to keep us alive, I would concur with that although until you asked the initial question its not a description of spirit that i had thought about, and now i will forget about it.

Best wishes

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

galaxie

Any opinions on "spirit;...force giving life to a body" as per dictionary.

I don't see it as supernatural.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

galaxie

Force of life only in physical terms of pressure exerted by filling with oxygen nothing medieval or supernatural intended. I am willing to concede its a rather loose term brought about by the dictionary description.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

galaxie

Not exactly viv,..Breathing is only facilitated by force of life oxygen no force no breathing.

it is all physical spirit oxygen force of life