Ballistic, you are moving into the realms of unrealistic!.The worm is not human!! And chopping of bits of the brain to leave a ceratain part of the brain? Now with respect you are bordering on the ridiculous .you will eventually come to the conclusion, we are human because of our brain no matter how many permutations (no pun intended)you come up with .Best wishes to you.
galaxie
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Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human
by ballistic inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.
i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).
and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.
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Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human
by ballistic inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.
i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).
and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.
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galaxie
Jgnat, you need repeat no more.I agree about intuition(instinctive knowledge)
Ballistic, you understand by 'heart' you are referring to emotion .
Both are reliant on the BRAIN! THEREFORE BRAIN (mind) WINS.
If you disagree, on which part of the body do we rely on for these?
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Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human
by ballistic inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.
i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).
and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.
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galaxie
What is the point of the thermostat?.it is a switch senitive to heat /cold it is to operate the main function eg a boiler. The point is which is the main function which gives the desired outcome .The boiler, how the boiler is switched on is of no great importance the important thing is the boiler sensing the call for its operation. So for boiler read brain.for sensory read reaction. So the thermostat reacts to the temperature the boiler reacts to the thermostat which is only a trigger for the main event.
The question is heart vs mind what makes us human?
There is no awareness of emotion without the brain so mind wins ..In my humble opinion of course.
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Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human
by ballistic inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.
i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).
and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.
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galaxie
Intuition, reason all in the mind absolutely so what makes us human heart or mind?. Remember it's all in the mind!
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Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human
by ballistic inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.
i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).
and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.
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galaxie
Nevertheless it's all within the brain. Did we get there in the end? Best wishes to you.
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Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human
by ballistic inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.
i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).
and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.
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galaxie
Jgnat. Yes I agree its how we use our brains, but you'll agree the brain had to develop to be used.
The bats brain developed in much the same way , but the evolutionary differences make it a bat.
The brain is the receiver correct, why ? Because it is the primary organ which receives the signals, lets call them sub sensors if you like but they are switches in the circuiratery? Sense . The brain receives these signals as you say the receiver. In order to recieve with the objective of reacting the brain must make sense of the signal hence sensory(of the sences) Sensor:...device which detects or MEASURES the presence of something. The signals for the receiver do not do the measuring that is the brains function. Therefore it follows, by definition it must be the main sensor. Analogy ...if you stub your toe and feel pain what tells you the pain is from the toe rather than the finger? Its the brain sensing the signal from that area. It is the interruption of the break in the nerve circuitry in that area which the brain senses and then we feel the pain its all down to the brain .
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Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human
by ballistic inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.
i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).
and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.
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galaxie
Jgnat. I think we're getting closer to some concensus.
Simple analogy: You see a light bulb, it is lit, by what means does it manifest light? Of course its by sensing(reacting)to a remote source. That source is the switch. The switch is not the sensor, it is the signal upon which the sensor the bulb reacts, if the bulb is not lit and the switch is in the on position then there is no light why? Because the sensor is inoperative.
By the same means (circuitry)although much more intricate the brain reacts to or senses the signals.
Those signals or switches; pain , sight , smell etc are picked up by the main sensor the brain. That is why under anaesthetic the brain(sensor) is tricked into not reacting to the affected switches even if they are being activated.EG tooth extraction, surgery etc..So the conclusion must be brain is the sensor upon which the drug (anaesthetic) is acting upon.
Anyway back to topic: Heart vs mind what makes us human? I admit my contribution was by way of going back to our early formation which essentially and fundementaly is what makes us modern humans. My reasoning was contrary to Ballistic who seemed to say were creatures with feeling first then brain thought after.
Of course I'm not sure what stage of creature he was referring to perhaps he is talking about contemporary man?
In that scenario I would still take the opinion that without the brain there is no emotion , instinct or any other function. Essentially IMO it is the development of our primitive nervous system into the complex circuitry of which the brain is the main cluster that makes us human.
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Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human
by ballistic inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.
i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).
and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.
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galaxie
Jgnat. Intuition:..instinctive KNOWLEDGE. Knowledge :...facts or experiences
How do we gain KNOWLEDGE whether it be instinctive(primitive cautionary awareness of surroundings hazards or beneficial aid to survival) which is now built in to our wiring BRAIN! or phsych if you like.
Yes intuition may well have developed first, but by what method: there had to be a sensory organ to process and allow that development.
I 'm sure your not suggesting it was by supernatural means?
I agree with your point about nurture.
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Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human
by ballistic inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.
i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).
and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.
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galaxie
Jgnat , from where did the intuition spring from?
I do not believe nurturing was solely developed in humans, I used it in respect of the human aspect of the point.
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Heart vs Mind - What Makes Us Human
by ballistic inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kpvj1/heart_vs_mind_what_makes_us_human/.
i was watching this bbc iplayer programme on heart and mind, (which is well worth a watch if you can access where you are).
and despite how the programme starts out, it develops into a deep and touching discussion of what makes us human.. i personally was left with the feeling at odds with what i believed as a witness.
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galaxie
Jgnat .I was responding to the question, as per topic. NOT about the modern multi/ faceted modern brain ,or about brain injury, but rather how we became human; heart vs mind. this must take us way back to our evolutionary development.
Ballistic seemed to imply ;feeling first, thought/brain subsequently "bolted on". My point is simply, how can you have feeling without a sensory organ?.
Gut feeling(intuition) has obviously got nothing to do with the physical 'gut' but that feeling is entirely controlled by the brain and by way of the nervous system to give that gut feeling, (primitive evolution to ensure best way of survival). Development of this process eventually led to our brains becoming cognitive.
So I.M.O. what makes us human is the development of our brain(sensory organ) to have the capacity of reason/understanding/intellect.
Heart vs mind?....mind/brain/sensors first wins. Emotions (heart) comes after in our development as humans as the importance of nurturing/caring became more essential for our wellbeing as a species. In my humble opinion of course.