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  I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?

  by EdenOne in

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  it just dawned on me.

  the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.

  so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.

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  galaxie

  The word absence when referring to the theistic god surely must be married with ' as exists in the mind ' this then would distinguish the notion of an actual being existing to that of the existance of the belief in god which is derived from the brain.

  Although the definition of the word absence may include ' non existance ' it could and imo mean not existing in the given scenario but either has or does exist in reality outwith the subject of discussion. I feel that the use of the word absence in referring to god ie ' god is absent ' is counter productive and leans toward belief that indeed god exists. Therefore if you truly feel god does not exist through lack of evidence or otherwise I feel the use of absent in that context is misused.
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  I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?

  by EdenOne in

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  it just dawned on me.

  the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.

  so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.

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  galaxie

  For me the real issue is not whether theistic or deist gods exist or that they may possess supernatural influence...it's whether the person who holds such a belief if challenged can justify their position given that their belief stems from within themselves, begging the question..why the need?

  The claims of theists or deists re the workings of their gods,influence and requirement of obeisance or you will suffer by punishment of death or that your crops will fail are imo reasons to confront and demand evidence for such given that many people past and present have been killed,punished,ostracized made to feel unworthy because they are seen to have failed to meet whatever the human brain conceived gods standard is.

  The absence of such a god ( as in non existant in a particular scenario) is really irrelevant. To call oneself an absentheist is as relevant as saying..im an absentoxygenist because oxygen is absent in an experiment with certain gases. The oxygen may not be present in the experiment but proof can be provided that it does exist outwith,whereas to say god is absent but still not be able to provide proof that said being exists outwith the subject which prompts the condition of its absence is surely a misuse of the word and is irrelevant in a discussion of the existence of god or gods (outwith mans perceptions of themselves as gods or physical forms of gods or idols )which are supernatural and of which there is zero proof
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  I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?

  by EdenOne in

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  it just dawned on me.

  the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.

  so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.

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  galaxie

  Wouldn't an 'absentheist ' by your reasoning ,be someone who believes that the god of creation..is absent , therefore must have at one time been ' present '.

  Reminds me of the ' god is dead ' claims of a few decades ago ie god once existed . It seems to me that people who once believed in god who have come to realise through critical thinking now doubt god exists still have a fear of absolutely concluding that the theistic god is a man made concept, and come up with the type of op which you have presented. It really is circular and says nothing of substance. The fact that you resort to trying to give the example of a sun god which does not relate to being an absentheist as you see it , bears this out imo.
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  Calling all lovers of Jehovahs and His Christ

  by vinman in

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  i must say that i have always loved jehovah and his son jesus christ.

  i have a 12 inch diameter telescope.

  i would go outside and listen to the psalms that praised to my god.

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  galaxie

  Hi vinman..you say your ' soul ' craves a relationship with jehovah and jesus. Are you able to define what your soul is ?

  Do you agree that your perception of your soul is as a result of your brain function?

  Do you accept the workings of the human brain can include delusion?

  Do you accept that you may strongly disagree or judge as deluded people who crave relationships with other deities opposed to jehovah?

  Can you consider the possibility that the same brain processes ( although differing conclusions ) can result in irrational belief. The precedents set in human history bear out the absurdity in supernatural belief despite the fact that

  all would have believed with all their heart and soul.

  My advice would be seek evidence and understanding for the things that bring you wonder and awe and appreciate it without the help of supernatural myth and superstition.

  Best wishes.
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  I admit it, I believe in evolution.

  by Louise in

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  after leaving the dub religion behind, i read everything that i could get my hands on, be it about other religions, beliefs, gods, occult, evolution - you name it - i read it.

  i did this to 'catch up' and to educate myself, so that when i can to a decision it would be an intellectual / educational one.

  not just because some book or person told me to believe it.. i have over time and with reading aids come to totally believe and accept evolution.

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  Hi louise...you set a good example of how to benefit from sound evidence as opposed to the crutch of superstition under the guise of blind faith... well done !!
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  Supernatural Tony......the 3rd

  by snare&racket in

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  i realised something today.... we all happily accepted something really ridiculous.....something that if worded how i will word it now, we would have rejected as ridiculous, but after a moments thought, would have to concede.. we once followed the governing body because we believed they had supernatural powers.

  how ridiculous you may say, no we didn't!

  of or relating to things that cannot be explained according to natural laws.

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  galaxie

  If any jw thinks that the gb aka fds parable snatchers come up with nooo light by just having a pow wow they are even more easily duped than I thought, is it not because they claim ' spirit guidance' that they buy into it..? Otherwise it's all just the interpretation and mere words of men.. which is exactly what it is !!! Why would they put their trust in these charlatans without believing they have the supernatural sanction from God's influence ?
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  The Secret is out....but nobody cares

  by MrTheocratic in

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  i've been looking on this site for some time but never posted.

  i'll give a little about myself, but not too much.

  i'm a ex-bethelite ( brooklyn )and currently serving as an elder (10 years) (thinking about stepping down) on the service committee.

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  galaxie

  Welcome mr theo'..Interesting post and observations. My open question would be ..given that many jws are now seeing that nooo light is no more than the latest prop after many pit collapses but continuing to ' ride the wave ' , what is the point of the organisation given that many ex jw family members who have learned ttatt still suffer because of those who just remain within because they think it's a respectable way of life. Surely thats a contradictory position ?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to hand over top secret manual to Finland officials

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  http://yle.fi/uutiset/jehovahs_witnesses_to_hand_over_top_secret_manual/7244267.

  16.5.2014 7:00 | updated 16.5.2014 17:10

  jehovah's witnesses to hand over top secret manual.

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  galaxie

  When ' Caesar ' demands , will the watchtower play the ' pay Caesars things to Caesar ' card or stick to their two witnesses rule ? Hmmmmm
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  Do JW Children Still Call Adults "Aunt" and "Uncle"?

  by cofty in

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  when i was young we were taught to refer to other adult jws as aunt or uncle.. was this also the case in other countries and does it still happen?.

  was it just a custom or has the literature ever commented on it?.

  thanks.

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  galaxie

  As a child in Scotland it was common to refer to close friends of parents as aunt/uncle, this continued after association within jws but only within the ' clique ' of those who were friends of my parents. Those jws who were of a different clique ( class or status ) were referred to quite deliberately as brother /sister.
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  What are the Witnesses Afraid Of ?

  by Sour Grapes in

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  if the witnesses have the truth and have been going to meetings for many years and every week they learn how to be effective in the ministry and learn about the bible on sundays and every week have a family worship night, why are they afraid to talk to anyone who doesn't agree with them or question their beliefs?

  if they have the truth then nothing can refute it.

  the truth is the truth.

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  galaxie

  Sadly their ' truth ' is their imposed organisational influenced truth which even if it is driven by an impossible delusive dream allows them the comfort that they are part of the mother hive where the queen bee calls the shots.

  ANY action which can obliterate the ' queen bee ' should be encouraged.