Two Witness Rule- How many innocent children or adults have been hurt by that?
Dangerous Mentally and Physically..
next week i'm going to speak with a large group of people about the jehovah's witnesses and one or two of their teachings.
i don't have time to discuss all of their bizarre beliefs so i'd like to ask your opinions on which subjects to use.
what would you consider to be the one most outrageous teachings of the watchtower you would chose?
Two Witness Rule- How many innocent children or adults have been hurt by that?
Dangerous Mentally and Physically..
i was told that ( by the husband) that child molesting is brought up often at the meeting and how it is up to the family if the police should be notified.
now i know it is not favored to call the police but has anyone heard these talks on molesting at the meetings?
anything about molestings?.
You can check out names at the following link for WI sex offenders- just enter the zip code
http://offender.doc.state.wi.us/public/search/searchbylocation.jsp
I would hope other states have this info.
I googled "WI sex offenders"
Worth Checking it out- in or out of the org.
http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2003/12/8a/article_01.htm
what a crock of crap.
here they talk about taxes yet they do not pay one thin red cent!!!
"nonprophet"- that's a good one
i live about 45 min from a town called watertown which has a massive tire fire and it has traveled all the way to my neck of the woods and the sky is black and the air really smelly.
of course it had to be today the first day it is cool enough to open my windows.
well so much for fresh air.. .
We really can't smell it too bad thankfully, I think the wind is sending it more towards the interstate between Madison and Milwaukee- But when I'm outside I start to cough, I feel really bad for the people in Watertown that have asthma...We drove into Sun Prairie at about 4 and could see the smoke all the way from there..My Hats off to all those firemen out there!!
i live about 45 min from a town called watertown which has a massive tire fire and it has traveled all the way to my neck of the woods and the sky is black and the air really smelly.
of course it had to be today the first day it is cool enough to open my windows.
well so much for fresh air.. .
It's been a LONG while since I've posted since I stopped my "Study" with the Witnesses, probably a good 2 years- I live in a town called Waterloo, about 30 miles from where that fire is and we've been seeing water trucks from all over heading that way-- Deerfield, Verona and Sun Prairie-- if you go to :
there's a picture of what's going on and it doesn't look pretty..
she had been shopping with her mom in wal-mart.. .
"let's run through the rain!
let's run through the rain.
She had been shopping with her Mom in Wal-Mart.
She must have been 6 years old, this beautiful red haired, freckle faced image of innocence.
It was pouring outside. The kind of rain that gushes over the top of
rain gutters, so much in a hurry to hit the earth it has no time to flow
down the spout.
We all stood there under the awning and just inside the door of the
Walmart. We waited, some patiently, others irritated because nature messed up their hurried day..
I am always mesmerized by rainfall.
I got lost in the sound and sight of the heavens washing away the dirt and dust of the world.
Memories of running, splashing so carefree as a child come pouring in as a welcome reprieve from the worries of my day.
Her voice was so sweet as it broke the hypnotic trance we were all
caught in "Mom, let's run through the rain," she said.
"What?" Mom asked.
"Let's run through the rain!" She repeated.
"No, honey. We'll wait until it slows down a bit," Mom replied.
This young child waited about another minute and repeated: "Mom, let's run through the rain."
"We'll get soaked if we do," Mom said.
"No, we won't, Mom. That's not what you said this morning," the young girl said as she tugged at her Mom's arm.
"This morning? When did I say we could run through the rain and not get wet?
"Don't you remember? When you were talking to Daddy about his cancer, you said, 'If God can get us through this, he can get us through anything!"
The entire crowd stopped dead silent.
I swear you couldn't hear anything but the rain.
We all stood silently. No one came or left in the next few minutes
Mom paused and thought for a moment about what she would say.
Now some would laugh it off and scold her for being silly.
Some might even ignore what was said.
But this was a moment of affirmation in a young child's life. A time
when innocent trust can be nurtured, so that it will bloom into faith.
"Honey, you are absolutely right. Let's run through the rain. If GOD let's us get wet, well maybe we just needed washing," Mom said.
Then off they ran. We all stood watching, smiling and laughing as they darted past the cars and yes, through the puddles.. They held their shopping bags over their heads just in case.
They got soaked.
But they were followed by a few who screamed and laughed like children all the way to their cars.
And yes, I did. I ran. I got wet. I needed washing.
Circumstances or people can take away your material possessions,
they can take away your money, and they can take away your health.
But no one can ever take away your precious memories...
So, don't forget to make time and take the opportunities to make
memories everyday.
To everything there is a season and a time to every purpose under
heaven.
A friend sent this to me to remind me of life. Hope you enjoy it
I HOPE YOU STILL TAKE THE TIME TO RUN THROUGH THE RAIN
They say it takes a minute to find a special person, an hour to
appreciate them, a day to love them, but then an entire life to forget them.
Send to the people you'll never forget. It's a short message to let them know that you'll never forget them.
If you don't send it to anyone, it means you're in a hurry and that
you've forgotten your friends.
Take the time to live!!!
Keep in touch with your FAMILY and friends, you never know when you'll need each other.
i guess there are times when i'm not quick enough!
earlier this week i had my weekly study and it's taken me a while to get on line to post.
the study itself was pretty blah so i'll spare the details, hopefully next week will be more interesting.
I guess there are times when I'm not quick enough! Earlier this week I had my weekly study and it's taken me a while to get on line to post. The study itself was pretty blah so I'll spare the details, hopefully next week will be more interesting. I did receive an answer regarding Jesus being resurrected as a spirit (1 Pet. 3:18 vs. bodily form (Lu. 24: 36-39) and wonders upon wonder... I was referred to the Reasoning Book- Page 334 stating "Acts 10:40, 41: 'God raised this One [ Jesus Christ ] up on the third day and granted him to become manifest, no to all people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God.' (Why did not others see him too? Because he was a spirit creature and when, as angels had done in the past, he materialized fleshly bodies to make himself visable, he did so only in the presence of his disciples.)- End Quote from Reasoning From the Scriptures* I still had a hard time w/ their explanation so I continued to research using other materials to refer me to other scriptures and here's what I found (Please note- this was after they had left so a continuation on this discussion will follow- And I realize that there's a pretty good chance of my being found out w/ the lurkers) In 1st Corinthians 15: 3-8 "For I handed on to you, among the first things, that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures: and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the 12. After that he appeared to upward of five hundred brothers at one time, the most of whom remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep [ in death ]. After that he appeared to James, then to all the apostles; but last of all he appeared to me as if to one born prematurely." Now I run into issues regarding the quote from Reasoning where it states he only appeared to the disciples whereas 1st Corinthians states he appeared to upward of 500? 1st Corinthians 15:16 - 17 "Moreover , we are also found false witnesses of God, because we have borne witness against God that he raised up the Christ, but whom he did not raise up if the dead are really not raised up. Further, if Christ has not been raised up, YOUR faith is useless; YOU are yet in YOUR sins." Now I realize the some believe that Christ was raised as a spirit and I'm NOT trying to sway anybody of your beliefs- so please bear w/ me (I would also appreciate ANY feedback!) 1st Corinthians 15: 21 "For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a man." After reading that is when my thoughts REALLY started to jump all over. Jesus manifested a body (not specifically HIS body prior to his death) However while on earth he (Jesus) had resurrected Lazarus out from the memorial tomb and he evidently had kept his body- now upon the resurrection will we have the same bodies or will be able to 'manifest' a body (there's some women out there that I know I would love to look like!!) Any feedback (Positive or Negative) or further info would be appreciated! I'm still new to the search feature on the forum and tried to search prior to posting- Using "Jesus resurrected as Spirit" and had problems finding specifically what I was looking for. If I had offended anybody or stepped on any toes, so to speak, Please let me know- for that is the last thing I wanted to do!
i have been lurking through this sight for about a month now and have found it to be wonderful!
i would like to say right off- i am not a baptized witness-i am not a publisher- i do not have family in the borg-nor do i have friends there either- i just study with the jw's.
at 1st i thought "wow- these people really know their stuff- this is great!
You guys are great! I can't begin to express my appreciation for the comments and suggestions given! Big Tex- I plan on running but I'd like to have some fun with them all first (I know it sounds rude but they pushed their way in to my life- I can't tell you how many times I DIDN"T answer the door and they just kept on coming!!!!Kinda like a bad bug problem-haha) Deb- I love the question on the graphic pictures- it never crossed my mind on asking how they felt - I'll let you all know come my next study! I can't wait to go the links that have been posted and throw some of them at them- I'm beginning to think I just enjoy the HOLY CRAP look on their faces!!!
i have been lurking through this sight for about a month now and have found it to be wonderful!
i would like to say right off- i am not a baptized witness-i am not a publisher- i do not have family in the borg-nor do i have friends there either- i just study with the jw's.
at 1st i thought "wow- these people really know their stuff- this is great!
I would like to thank all of you for the wonderful welcome! I can't wait to ask about the points regarding the blood (especially in the respect of pouring the slaughtered animal's blood into the ground yet purified cows blood is OK?) I'll be doing alot of research on the 1919 issue- it shall be worth it! I looked for Crisis of Conscience at a bookstore this afternoon upon doing a search for it in their computer of inventory I kept receiving a message it was Out of Print... It was pretty busy in there today so I hope to get back there later this week when it's hopefully slower and see if they can order it- I've seen the book mentioned Many times on this sight and can't wait to dig into it! On a side note while I was browsing I did see in the relegious section a book on Cults and the Witnesses were the 1st ones mentioned- there was over 70 pages of the history of them and what they believe and how they come to their conclusions- So- I'll probably have to get that too (I could only skim through it and some of the history one thing that stuck out was one of the early founders, I can't remember if it was Russell or not- got divorced??) One thing I failed to mention in my original post was a question I had posed regarding Jesus coming back as a spirit after his resurrection I referred to Luke 24:36-43 (the disciples were afraid becasue they thought it WAS a spirit and Jesus told them to feel his flesh and they didn't believe and then he asked for food)- They didn't have a ready answer for that and said they'd get back to me--Curious if anybody has any type of heads up on the "watchtower" answer? Again- Thanks for the welcome! Just a Note- I'll probably post once a week to let you all know how the study is going :)
i have been lurking through this sight for about a month now and have found it to be wonderful!
i would like to say right off- i am not a baptized witness-i am not a publisher- i do not have family in the borg-nor do i have friends there either- i just study with the jw's.
at 1st i thought "wow- these people really know their stuff- this is great!
I have been lurking through this sight for about a month now and have found it to be wonderful! I would like to say right off- I am not a baptized witness-I am not a publisher- I do not have family in the borg-nor do I have friends there either- I just study with the JW's. At 1st I thought "WOW- these people really know their stuff- This is Great!"- I was raised Lutheran and there were things that I was taught that I never quite understood and couldn't get an answer to- But those Witnesses they could answer anything! Now after a couple of years of studying w/ them (they hadn't given up on me after the 6 month to a year period yet!) I'm starting to see Huge cracks and weird personality's! My husband was constantly warning me about them "sucking me in"- so I would keep a constant eye out on behaviors and attitudes. I started to get leery when the talks about "Worldly People and the dangers of them started to crop up in conversations (My Husband is VERY Worldly according their "Standards")- I actually cried after one of the 1st meetings I went to because they talked about the dangers of an unbelieving mate and how that made Jehovah feel- oh boy!! That's when my guard really went up!! I started to notice the Robotics of EVERYTHING! After every talk the same ole "Wasn't that a wonderful talk? How about that Watchtower article- wasn't that WONDERFUL?? Aren't we lucky to have the Faithful and Discreet Slave to make sure are needs are taken care of?"- As I'm thinking, very sarcastically, "OH- Golly Gee- it was just Swell!" After the release of the "Greatest Teacher" I skimmed through it and was asked if that would be something I would like to read to a child that is very close to me- I'm thinking "UHH- probably not!" I stuttered out a "maybe"-Once again "faithful and discreet slave-loving provision of spiritaul food- Blahblah" - Anyway- the biggest reason for this is- I am still studying w/ them (Please do Not think I'm a hypocrite) My goal is to finish the book we're on and know that after it's done that they "won't be able to come to your house and see you anymore" (yup- that came right the dub's mouth) But in the meantime I'm looking for questions that will get these guys to start thinking! I've thrown a couple in the study's such as the cross & stake issue w/ 'GASP' secular backup-that they actually read but came back w/ the what the society says and how the secular thing was wrong (GEEEE why wasn't I surprised?!?) Organ transplants-matter of conscience (they left out the flip flops on that one!) I would so appreciate some help on what I can ask- Just subtle issues- Most of the ones that come have been raised in it (which I find ironic what with in the Require brouchure it speaks badly of those who stay in the relegion they were born in and never look for the "truth"-HMM?) Thanks In Advance- and I apologize for the length!