I say the contrary. I believe the analogy is flawed, because the co-pilot is just as qualified the carry out the flight while the woman in the congregation is not. The captain has the last word but even that is now under questioning. Many aircraft accidents have been attributed in part in the reluctance of the co-pilot to question the captains decisions.
StarTrekAngel
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Flying the Plane By Committee
by freemindfade in"in god's view, men and women are equal.
but even people who fly airplanes realize you can't fly an airplanes by committee there has to be a pilot and a co-pilot.
a woman is a co-worker, a complement, the bible refers to her as."-gj.
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My Husband Lies
by disillusioned 2 inmy husband went to the assembly at the weekend.
a few people asked about me, why didn't i go anymore?
he lied and told them "i don't know"!
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StarTrekAngel
In my case, my wife had questions of her own in her past. She was inactive for a while and continued to be inactive for a few years after marriage. Then we both started studying (it was my first time but not hers). There was a few bumps during the study time as the elder who conducted it was a bit in the arrogant side and he said a few things to upset her. We moved pass that and for a few years we lived a pretty normal life. You know, normal as normal gets, but we were not hard line JWs (Oral sex is amazing!LOL). It took me a good part of 10 years to get to the point of baptism (longer in her case). After a death in the family she got more resolved to get to paradise. I was beginning to doubt but wasn't even considering reading "apostate" material. I remember that every now and then we would find out about something bad (like I remember when we first heard about the Conti case) but they were mostly open ended conversations. As the org was getting more and more cultish, I began to do more research. Eventually our conversations got more serious until one day she realized I was not backing down from the conversation but rather sounded like a dissenter. Off course, she doesn't care about men (as in the GB) but she felt I was ranting against God. Her first shock was the idea that something that we did together for so long was coming to an end. Then she began to question my real motives. For a while, this seemed like a sore side that was never going to go away. I began to stress a lot, even realized I was having some symptoms of PTSD (burst of anger for seemingly small issues, even against my kids sometimes). My job was getting stresful too so that did no t help at all. Eventually she told me she accepted my position but I had to accept hers. I told her that she was asking me to accept something I felt would hurt her or us in the long run and I could not easily do that. Fortunately for me, such statement would cause her to ask me why, rather than ignore me. It took many tears and long conversations.
I tried steering the whole conversation, not to wether the cult was right or wrong but rather ask simple questions, in many different forms. If they can be wrong and change things, why do we have to have this fight? If i am concerned, which part of "love" does not allow to listen to my concern? If I came to you and told you I had cancer, would you give me the cold shoulder just because the decease is inside me and not you? I know we don't share the same view, but inside of me I have a concern regarding this organization and you don't want to help me address it. It does not sound loving to me. Do you realize that I can not even voice my thoughts in front of my own family? I know you won't give me away to the elders, but our kids are too young and if I said anything and they accidentally mention it to anyone, what would happen? My own family is being used as a means of rooting out dissenters. Is this what Jehovah had in mind when he created the family union? What ever happened to being one flesh? In a nutshell, I tried to make sure my choice of words said to her that I needed help, not that I was trying to tell her she needed to re evaluate her belief. Sometimes she would go to great lengths to tell me that even if this was wrong, she did not know another way and that other religions did bad things too. She claims that if it wasn't for this religion she would be a total bitch and that I would have probably left her by now. I told her that I understand that but just because they made her a better person, they were not entitled to anything. I told her it wasn't them who made her a better person, it was the bible. But even if she wanted to credit them for teaching and showing her, I said, would you let our neighbor come and please himself on you every day because he save you when your house was caching fire? Obviously the answer is NO. I said, you can thank them for it but you don't owe them anything.
Did these and many other questions lead to her waking up? No, not at all although it should have. This much work (I am talking about a year worth of suffering) was what it took to just get her comfortable enough with the idea of us discussing difficult subjects without feeling attacked. I think she began to realize that these old farts (GB) were not worth her marriage and family. She is now much more willing to look and research, although I think she is at a state now where she is reading stuff but thinking she will not let this bad press alter her faith. We've discussed several subject together and even looked at some of the JWFacts articles together. All in due time.
Sorry for the long post but I know what it feels like when you need some positive encouragement.
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What are JWs saying about the Royal Commission?
by LexIsFree ini am wondering if there are any pro-jw blogs/sites that any of you visit and whether or not jws are aware of what is going on in australia.
also, what is there reaction to it?
(i may already know the answer to that last question.
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Go to JW-archive, there is quite a few interesting animals there. At least four different threads were started on the matter. Some asking for prayers for the elders in questioning, others pointing out the RC as the start of the attack of Gog of Magog (is anyone surprised?). Some very harsh comments there from JW and non JW alike. As someone said, moderators and other hard line JWs have even made comments like "I am reporting this site as apostate", simply because some brothers dare to publicly admit this is wrong. -
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My Husband Lies
by disillusioned 2 inmy husband went to the assembly at the weekend.
a few people asked about me, why didn't i go anymore?
he lied and told them "i don't know"!
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StarTrekAngel
Not only protects you, but it may also turn out that it protects your relationship. For as long as the elders or the cong in general doesn't know what is going on with you, they won't be able to do much. IF they ever found out and also became aware as to how far out you are, then they will inadvertently (and I say this because they won't realize that they too been conditioned) begin to build a wall between you and him. This will happen by means of the things others mentioned, gossiping, slander, passive aggressive comments, etc. If he has a hard time talking to you know, wait until that happens.
This is one of the many ways in which you can show yourself how cultish this org is, they use their own members to make sure to cast out anyone who is not fully in. There is no middle stand with them.
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My Husband Lies
by disillusioned 2 inmy husband went to the assembly at the weekend.
a few people asked about me, why didn't i go anymore?
he lied and told them "i don't know"!
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Give him a break, I think he feels he is protecting you. I could be wrong, but my wife has actually done the same to shield me from getting a shepherding call. Unless off course you want them to know. -
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Witness behavior in my gym ....
by SecretSlaveClass inabout two months ago two very attractive ladies in their mid 30's signed on at one of the gyms i belong to.
for a while i noticed them watching me and naturally i assumed they were taking an interest in how i went about training my clients since many do before they decide to approach me and inquire about my services (i own a health and fitness consultancy).. sure enough one of them approached me a few weeks back and asked me for a business card, inquired about rates and various other aspects involved with signing on with me.
i handed her a card and explained that my client schedule was full but she should consider signing on with one of my personal trainers who still had some open spots available.
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Sumerian history
by StarTrekAngel incan anyone recommend a good, updated book or documentary on the sumerian civilization?.
thanks in advance.
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StarTrekAngel
Can anyone recommend a good, updated book or documentary on the Sumerian civilization?
Thanks in advance
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Finally got a copy of the silver NWT
by wozza inafter not having a nwt translation for a few years i scored the latest edition still wrapped in plastic !
but guess where ?
at the local salvation army shop ...for free!.
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StarTrekAngel
I remember seeing an episode of "Hoarders". This man was getting help on cleaning up his house. When the crew thought they were done, they discovered a bigger mess in the basement and the basement was also flooded from a leaky pipe. In the background, you could see some stuff floating around. Among some other things, I recognized a JW song book, the old style book. He later picked it up and I confirmed what I saw.
I've also picked up a copy of the book "The bible: word of man or God's" (or something of that sort) at a thrift store.
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How does the WTS view 'ancient humans' (i.e. fossils assigned to the genus Homo)?
by LoveUniHateExams inhaving read i love ttatt's thread about evidence for humans living more than 6,000 years ago, i responded by using neanderthals and homo ergaster as evidence.
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this got me thinking about the wt's current view on 'cavemen' (), etc.. so, how does the wts view 'ancient humans'?
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StarTrekAngel
They were the consequence of evil men that had sex with child... I mean, monkeys!, had sex with monkeys, I said.
Just being sarcastic!
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Finally got a copy of the silver NWT
by wozza inafter not having a nwt translation for a few years i scored the latest edition still wrapped in plastic !
but guess where ?
at the local salvation army shop ...for free!.
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StarTrekAngel
Couldn't you get it online?