StarTrekAngel

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  Is it because of Pride or Loyalty?

  by joey jojo in

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  2. experiences

  in a recent effort to entice me back to meetings, an elder friend gave me the example of his dad.. he said that his pioneer/elder/ex-missionary dad went through the anticipation and disappointment of 1975 and yet, he kept going faithfully for decades afterwards.

  the obvious point was that, if his dad can deal with disappointment, then, surely a nobody like me could do the same in regards to the scrapping of the 1914 generation doctrine, and all the other changes.

  his 'encouragement' was to tell me that it was only me that felt like this, everyone else is fine and have no problems with the changes.

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  What happened to 1914? Any real admission of falsehood or just implied?
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  Venting: Sometimes i absolutely hate my wife

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  don't get me wrong, i do love her.

  but when she goes into cult mode, i freaken hate her.

  i hate the person this pos religion has made her become.

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  Hang in there. Been there done that. For almost 4 years. Didn't seem like today was ever possible. Today we are both out and as happy as can be. My wife was never a hardcore JW and those are the worse, believe it or not. Hardcore JWs are more likely to be disappointed with the religion, in my humble opinion. Those less than ideal JWs are already operating from the perspective that this thing isn't perfect and therefore whatever you bring is going to be seen as you are just complaining.
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  Book offer

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  howdy everyone!

  before i am accused of anything, i only came in here to fulfill a promise i made a couple of years ago.

  this place keeps getting crazier.. i have a copy of a book that was given to me by a member of this group for free.

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  This is the reason. Even a simple request for a book turns into a political thread. Don't read this as a rant. You all got the freedom to do as you please. As for me, I miss the old days on this site. When we were purely concentrated on helping people wake up or support them thru their struggle.

  Sometimes I simply feel that if I was to be a new awaken JW today, I would have a much harder time than I did. Simply coming in here and having to filter thru the politics would mean I would have a much more difficult process learning and finding support to my issues. I even question if all this political rants don't scare away potential escapees that are just lurking in the shadows. I know many of us started this way when we still carried the fear of reading apostate material.
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  Book offer

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  howdy everyone!

  before i am accused of anything, i only came in here to fulfill a promise i made a couple of years ago.

  this place keeps getting crazier.. i have a copy of a book that was given to me by a member of this group for free.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Please send me a PM with your address.

  Thanks
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  Book offer

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  howdy everyone!

  before i am accused of anything, i only came in here to fulfill a promise i made a couple of years ago.

  this place keeps getting crazier.. i have a copy of a book that was given to me by a member of this group for free.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Howdy everyone! I've been away for a while. Before I am accused of anything, I only came in here to fulfill a promise I made a couple of years ago. Other than that I would not. This place keeps getting crazier.

  I have a copy of a book that was given to me by a member of this group for free. The only string attached was that I was to pass it forward once I was done with it. The book is "Signs of the Last Days. When?" by Carl Olof Jonsson.

  I also have a copy of "The New Creation" 1925 edition. I need to open a box where I stored it when I moved away from my old house. As I am moving on with my life, I would rather not have reminders of this. Off to better and bigger things. Wife is fully out and has been for some time and we are back to being the happy couple we once were, just older and a tad wealthier. Amazing things happen when your mind is free.

  First come, first serve.
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  Who has read Steven Hassen books?

  by Beth Sarim in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  to me personally, steven hassen books have had a tremendous influence on my waking-up over the last years.. i have read 3 of his books.. combating cult mind control(2012 edition).

  freedom of mind.

  releasing the bonds.

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  "The Cult of Trump" was a good read too.

  Agreed.
  

  
  
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  Legal Fundraiser to 'sue' individuals JW's (ie. elders) for defamation

  by Nathan R. Koppe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  removed.

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  I have seen that kind of phase on people. My own wife was abused at an early age (not by a JW) and when I brought up the child abuse problems within the org she started going down a very similar path. I told her that it could possibly mean that it feels unfair to her that anyone can have an entire community behind them when they were abused but she was shown no pity, no help was offered. Her own parents looked the other way because the offender was family. In fact, by her own admission, abuse by family members was quite common in her early life. It was a different time and a different mindset. I told her that having survived that on her own thru years of pain and trauma had made her callous to the suffering of others, which is probably as bad a chronically being a victim. We all like to look at the next person going thru the same as we did and claim we were stronger and complained less. She even had that same reaction about me. When I fell ill because of the chronic stress, she looked down on me as weak and sounded exactly like Simon. If she just knew what she did to me at the time, she would have not done it. Things have changed off course, and I forgave her pretty much on the spot.

  That is all I am going to say about that. Regardless of whether you feel like one or not, you and I, we all were victims and in some ways we continue to be. For as long as our family relationships are affected by this organization we will be victims of some kind. Chances are other toxic people in our life are causing the same harm and yet we don't call them cults or come close to victimizing us. The questions I would ask is, how pervasive is that influence? Is it getting broadcasted on TV constantly and disguised as spiritual help?

  If you have managed, because it is not something you easily do by choice, to move from under their foot, kudos to you. If you still have not managed to do so... please stick around and use all the help you can get from here. I know it helped me beyond words. It is sad to see that some people are now looking down on those who are struggling with the same things we did.

  I agree some of these legal venues propose hold no grown. Be part of the solution and educate people but do not denigrate them. Many of the things that are said here are quite prompted by anger and frustration and are not always rational.
  
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  Absolutely mind blowing. Wow just wow!!!!!

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.facebook.com/rafael.riveraarias.3/videos/2271651422931947/.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Where can I find that quote, I think it was said by Tony, it went along the lines of "we don't care if our message is not popular. Jesus never had to make his message attractive"
  
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  Did your congregation ever throw special parties exclusively for Pioneers?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm trying to remember if these parties were a direct instruction from hq or if this was something on a local level.. i remember i attended at least 2 of these parties and we also would bring them gifts.

  i saw them no different than a bday party (elevating someone to idolatry level).. if anyone else remembers these parties please let me know.

  if there's a letter out there somewhere from hq that would be even better.

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  We did. It it a yearly thing in our case. All publishers were invited, otherwise there would be no money to do it. Gifts were encouraged
  
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  Convention 2019: Children told don't form emotional attachment to pets!

  by Nathan R. Koppe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have just heard from a visitor to the jehovah's witnesses convention for 2019, that they have been told; 'not to form an emotional attachment to their pets, as animals don't have feelings anyway'.. well, that should break a few children hearts!👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 🥴 😭 💔.

  my orignal topics are at.

  further info:.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Sorry kids... no more ice cream and now no more pets. Mom and dad are increasingly spending money on their health and organic food. If you can't have a cheap ice cream, much less an expensive pet. The org needs money more than ever. Mr Morris can't handle the stress and needs a drink.