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  Can baptism be considered a legal verbal agreement?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  based on the requirements set forth and the questions answered at the end.

  i believe this question has been asked before.

  the fact that you can only be expelled after having been put under this oath of allegiance and that you have witnesses to you making this agreement ( i remember my name was shout to the crowd when i entered the pool ).. if it can be considered so, would there be a legal ground to say minors can not enter this agreement?.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Can you please elaborate? This is for my own education.
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  Can baptism be considered a legal verbal agreement?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  based on the requirements set forth and the questions answered at the end.

  i believe this question has been asked before.

  the fact that you can only be expelled after having been put under this oath of allegiance and that you have witnesses to you making this agreement ( i remember my name was shout to the crowd when i entered the pool ).. if it can be considered so, would there be a legal ground to say minors can not enter this agreement?.

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  StarTrekAngel

  And so I thought that would be the case. Sure you they can say the eventually the minor becomes an adult and continues to uphold the agreement. But is there a precedence to, for example, signing a mortgage when you are 7 years old and only become legally bound to it at adulthood, provided that while your parents continue to make payments on your behalf you pick up on it and uphold the agreement as soon as you become 18?

  Don't think so... so idealistically speaking, there should be a way to say a minor can not be baptized.
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  Can baptism be considered a legal verbal agreement?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  based on the requirements set forth and the questions answered at the end.

  i believe this question has been asked before.

  the fact that you can only be expelled after having been put under this oath of allegiance and that you have witnesses to you making this agreement ( i remember my name was shout to the crowd when i entered the pool ).. if it can be considered so, would there be a legal ground to say minors can not enter this agreement?.

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  StarTrekAngel

  At least in the US, the Courts are not about to get caught up in the middle of a religious dispute that only affects those who are in the religion. Especially a religion that involves only 1 million NON-voters.
  Doc

  True... but it helps to be aware of what weight, if so only personal, your agreement could have. Under a more fair world this would have greater significance.
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  Can baptism be considered a legal verbal agreement?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  based on the requirements set forth and the questions answered at the end.

  i believe this question has been asked before.

  the fact that you can only be expelled after having been put under this oath of allegiance and that you have witnesses to you making this agreement ( i remember my name was shout to the crowd when i entered the pool ).. if it can be considered so, would there be a legal ground to say minors can not enter this agreement?.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Based on the requirements set forth and the questions answered at the end. I believe this question has been asked before. The fact that you can only be expelled after having been put under this oath of allegiance and that you have witnesses to you making this agreement ( I remember my name was shout to the crowd when I entered the pool ).

  If it can be considered so, would there be a legal ground to say minors can not enter this agreement?
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  ISIS Want to Clear up Why They Do Terrorism

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  every time isis commit one of their atrocities, well-meaning folks mumble self-loathing apologies on behalf of "the west".

  noam chomsky and his sort lead a chorus of masochistic confessions.

  apparently everybody is to blame for islamic terrorism (according to bill nye global warming causes isis) - apart from islamic terrorists of course.

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  StarTrekAngel

  On the joking side... Are you not afraid you are going to get on a no-fly list for downloading this material? :)
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  ISIS Want to Clear up Why They Do Terrorism

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  every time isis commit one of their atrocities, well-meaning folks mumble self-loathing apologies on behalf of "the west".

  noam chomsky and his sort lead a chorus of masochistic confessions.

  apparently everybody is to blame for islamic terrorism (according to bill nye global warming causes isis) - apart from islamic terrorists of course.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Hmm... certainly that is what they publish. Asking an honest question though... Would you really say that all JWs view worldly people they way they do solely and only because the WT says so or is there a component of their own experience with the world that may be re affirmed by WT rhetoric? What if that component was removed and the only thing they are left with is WT ideology?

  I have a hard time accepting that, while the ideology you present is surely well documented, 100% of Muslims who are today engaged on what they perceive as holy war, would fight as hard as they do today if conditions for them would change. I am sure there are many nut jobs that would endure until their own end but I still believe that such are the minority.
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  How to argue with a JW who says the org never said the end in 75

  by dogon in

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  i have argued with several jws who are now being trained to deny the org ever said the end in 75, what is your approach?.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Well, they can try and beat around the bush. They start sounding like politicians when they do that. Most politicians nowadays know exactly what toe nails taste like. Then they send their "spokeperson" to clarify what they meant.

  I would say the most damming piece of publication, which leaves little to interpretation is where they clarify they do not know the exact date and time but they also flaunt that they could not be mistaken by more than a couple of weeks. Also the part where they well say that going to college will be useless, since the end will be here before you graduate.

  1 Corinthians 14:9 comes to mind every time I hear a WT argument that requires more than two questions to make it clear.
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  "Belief" and "Faith" are Simply Emotional Terms for Ideas and Opinions (long post)

  by xjwsrock in

  1. watchtower
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  this is my current bottom-line conclusion after starting to see through the jw game 3 to 4 years ago and going through my own process of waking up.

  it helps to write it down and put it "out there".

  i hope it helps or resonates with you in your own personal process.. basically if i were given 10 seconds to say something to an active jehovah's witness that i cared about it would be the headline above.

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  StarTrekAngel

  I agree with the OP. Unfortunately, even this truth has been exploited. Faith has been redefined and so happens to align with opinion. The faith I read about in the bible is not blind. Those who claim to live by faith and not by sight, should reconsider putting that biblical reference in full context before they do hit a lamp post. Please realize that I am not arguing belief. If you choose to believe in Santa, that is ok. I am just saying that the entire religious body of the world has realized that promoting this idea of "faith" is the most efficient tool that they have and redefining it by guilt tripping people into accepting things without proof is the holy grail of manipulation.

  If you are a believer, please read your bible entirely, slowly and consciously. I bet you will realize that not one character in the bible ever expressed blind faith without the burden of proof. There was always a reference for them to have a starting point. Weak or strong, but there was something more than guilt driven blind faith imposed by a third party who claim to have the truth. Those few examples where someone did follow blindly have ended badly.
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  Rumor: Discouraging news from GB at upcoming CA?

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is on the reddit frontpage and sounds super weird.

  can it be confirmed in any way by anyone here?.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/4u72dk/what_kind_of_announcement_could_cause_jws_to/.

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  StarTrekAngel

  LOL Saename. I was pretty sure I made some mistakes. My English is second hand.
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  Rumor: Discouraging news from GB at upcoming CA?

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is on the reddit frontpage and sounds super weird.

  can it be confirmed in any way by anyone here?.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/4u72dk/what_kind_of_announcement_could_cause_jws_to/.

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  StarTrekAngel

  (please read this while you imagine Stephen Lett reading it)

  Dear brothers,

  What a wonderful job we have in spreading the good news of the Kingdom. It is certainly a privilege to participate in the many aspects of preaching the good news. One of the many privileges we have is contributing to the world wide work thru financial support. We have always cherished our ability to make voluntary donations. James 1:17 partly says that every good thing we have comes from above and don't we thank our father for providing us with everything we need. And since we know that everything good that we have comes from Jehovah, are we not more than ever confident that he will continue to provide?

  The Governing Body has been carefully considering the implication of such providence and has come to realize that we have not fully understood God's will in this aspect. If everything good that we have, including but not limited to our time and financial means, come from Jehovah, it means these things belong to him to begin with.

  In keeping with the prophecy of the Faithful and Discrete Slave, Jesus said that he would appoint us over all his belongings. Therefore, we feel it is reasonable he expects us to responsibly manage all his belongings, including the ones he has already given you.

  We are excited to announce a new arrangement that will not just help, but ensure your continued support of the world wide work. Along with this letter, a new form has been provided to the elders and will be distributed at the end of this meeting. It will allow us to withhold a percentage of your paycheck and be transfered as a donation to the world wide work fund.

  Off course, this will remain a matter of consciousness but in an effort to not stumble anyone who may think we are tithing, like the despicable practices of Christendom, we have set up the form with a checkbox for you to select the percentage. Therefore, you will not find a checkbox for 10%, only 20% and upwards.

  We rest assured you will prayerfully consider just how you can continue to contribute to the preaching work in this manner

  Your brothers... Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

  PS

  This postscript should not be read to the congregation or posted on the information board.

  Arrange for this letter to be read to the congregation in the next midweek meeting.

  This form should be made available to all publishers, both baptized and non-baptized. Elders should account for the number of forms filled out. If anyone did not fill out the form or was not present during the announcement. Efforts should be made to make sure they are made aware of this new arrangement. If after such efforts are made, the publisher did not return a completed form, we should consider the instructions provided in the Shepherds of the Flock of God book, regarding our appreciation for the spiritual provisions. Such publishers should not qualify for privileges in the congregation. Namely working the microphones or serving as book study assistants.