i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.
for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.
it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.
Simon... How much bandwidth are you seeing come to this site?
I've always toyed with the idea of at least helping out start something like this. I work for an ISP, I am the network admin. At my core network I have access to several 10 Gbps links and plenty of space to mount servers. I can not imagine you see a lot of it. The real network killer these days are streaming services, not web forums.
i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.
for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.
it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.
Thanks Hecce, that is good news.
I was referring to the whole Spanish speaking field, including Latin America. If we, as ex-JW, plan to have an effect in the growth of this organization, we can not ignore Latin America. There is hardly any good, easy to read and attractive sites that lurkers con go to in their own language.
i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.
for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.
it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.
This is very sad indeed. The Spanish field is one where the WT is actually gaining ground.
yesterday i had an interesting visitor—my long-time school friend.
we both studied with jws together, and he progressed to dedication and baptism whereas i stopped before the final step and got transferred to another place.
after the routine conversations, he said: “you know how much your family members long to see you take up the truth ….. before it is too late, i would suggest you start tasting jehovah.”.
I think is pretty clear that the word "religion" in that context simply means something you are attached to or that you trust. Since he was talking to a religious person, it makes perfect sense to use a word his friend would be able to relate to. I never interpreted that science was being defined as a form of spiritual devotion.
But then again... what do I know.
my wife and i have been watching the tv show "the path".
we are caught up to the latest episode and we have began discussing the parallels (or the lack thereof) between the cult portrayed in the show and the jw.
would you help me trace some more that i may be overlooking?.
My wife and I have been watching the tv show "The Path". We are caught up to the latest episode and we have began discussing the parallels (or the lack thereof) between the cult portrayed in the show and the JW. I've come up to her with some of my own and she's seen some as well. Would you help me trace some more that I may be overlooking?
Here are some easy ones
- What JW call 'apostates' are called 'deniers' in the show
- Deniers are shunned and the default conclusion is that they hate the rest of the group
- At least one of the cast members that represent the R&F was abused before they joined she joined the group. She sees a protective figure on the leader who is actually taking advantage of her (sexually), yet this seems to be ok with her. In other words, the abuse has not gone away, just replaced with a more "loving" form of abuse.
- Their doctrine teaches of a bright future in a garden while the rest of the world would be somehow painfully destroyed.
- They have books for kids as well as songs they use on family gatherings. They are instructed to listen to music from the 70 only because modern music is corrupting.
- They have recruiting rallies on the street.
- They are now investing in real state while seeking Tax exemption from the government
- Their spiritual leader is dying (which their doctrine says should not happen) so the new leader is coming up with "new light" to explain the leaders absence.
- The new leader is also coming up with further changes to the doctrine to make the group more attractive to newcomers. He also wrote the last books of their spiritual guidance since the former leader is dying without completing the work
- They use a system of escalating prominence. The spiritual maturity is measured by a system of ladder rungs. The higher have scalated this ladder, the more involved you are, and the more involved you are, the more secrets you know
- The people at the top allow each other to question or break the rules with impunity. They also seem to be keeping track of such missteps to be used as means of coherseing one another but without actual communication.
- Lots of mystical manipulation
- They teach that they do not involve themselves with world or local governments
- The leaders have made mistakes that forces the whole movement to do things against their own teachings while keeping it secret from the R&F
- They portray an apostate (or denier as they call it) finding hard to adapt to life outside the group
If you watch the show and you can come up with any additional I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks
i know the jws would not necessarily take advantage of this (or may be they would) but certainly, they will spin it off somehow.. https://www.yahoo.com/news/religious-looking-trump-protections-081209487--politics.html.
I can see the next election being heavily influenced by pastors. Even more so than they already are.
i know the jws would not necessarily take advantage of this (or may be they would) but certainly, they will spin it off somehow.. https://www.yahoo.com/news/religious-looking-trump-protections-081209487--politics.html.
I know the JWs would not necessarily take advantage of this (or may be they would) but certainly, they will spin it off somehow.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/religious-looking-trump-protections-081209487--politics.html
the american psychiatry association lists nine symptoms – if someone ticks five of these, they could have narcissistic personality disorder.
the nine points of narcissism.
has a grandiose sense of self-importance.. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.. believes that he or she is ‘special’ and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people.. requires excessive admiration.. has a sense of entitlement.. is inter-personally exploitative (takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends).. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.. .
While much research is ongoing, most personality issues are attributed to exposure. If you are surrounded by narcissists, then it is easy for you to become one.
i have a certain customer, whom we will call sally.
i know sally only by face and only through work.
i am a truck driver on a local dedicated route, and i often deliver to her work.
It's a free country, you're free to leave a religion, and their own website CLAIMS that people can leave at any time.
I mean, it's not a cult, now, is it?
Anything a cult puts in claim, like the one you mentioned above is to be taken in context with the belief. Is like the following statement coming from an alcoholic...
"I won't drink anymore.... or any less, just the same"
In the case of the cults, the second part of the phrases are always omitted. The statement is not untruthful, is just incomplete. This way, outsiders and insiders can read it and accept it as truth but interpret it their own ways and both can be happy with what they read. Here is what I believe to be a few other incomplete assertions from the WT. Many of which, I believe, are grossly ignored or remain unmentioned, even by strong opposers of this cult. The part between parenthesis are the parts that are left out to interpretation or belief.
- Abuse victims have a right to go to the authorities (but we have a right to DF you for doing so if you have no second witness)
- Blood, beards, attire, entertainment choices are a matter of consciousness (The GB consciousness that is)
- WT never claimed that non-JW will be killed during Armageddon (we just stated that they still have a chance to become one. No one has to die over this, if they do what we say)
- We don't make collections! (That's right! we don't pass a contribution plate, we make YOU go to the plate, the one towards the entrance of the KH. That is the way to show submission! Bringing the plate to you would be spoiling you!)
- We definitely do charitable work! (but we are firm believers that charity starts at home!)
add your own...
we all 'exit' in our own way and at our own pace but i'm curious, why carry on stuffing yourself into that stiff suit and tie or meeting dress years after you realised the truth about 'the truth'?.
they kept you a prisoner, what's stopping you from leaving now that you have the key to your own cell?.
loved ones?
Family. Wife is mostly awake but does not want to risk the idea that her mom or brother may no longer want to talk to her. As it is, her brother does not really see us much and we don't see them much.
Her sister have stopped attending a long time ago. However, since they live out of town, my brother in law can pretend that he does not know what they are up to. So convenient, isn't it. But if my wife stopped attending, it would be seen by everyone in the congo. Sometimes I wish I could move.
Teaching the truth? What truth? The only "truth" I would risk believing out of a JW meeting is the attendance count for the day.
