Posts by StarTrekAngel

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The origin of the word Lullaby

by StarTrekAngel in

reading around the subject of lillith, the alledged, rebel first wife of adam, i stumbled upon this link and many others that link the custom of singing babies to sleep as an ancient jewish superstition.. http://www.jeanniemusick.com/lilith-world/lilith-as-the-origin-of-the-lullaby/.

some of the research could probably be argued but looking at it from the wt perspective and mirroring their usual reasoning, i could imagine the following.... ... it appears that the word "lullaby" originates from the the hebrew "lilith-abi", which means "lilith be gone".

jewish mothers used to sing these songs to their babies in bed in hopes that they would be protected from this baby snatching demon called lilith.

StarTrekAngel

It sounded to me like a good topic of conversation to add to the list for the next time you are visited by a JW

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The origin of the word Lullaby

by StarTrekAngel in

reading around the subject of lillith, the alledged, rebel first wife of adam, i stumbled upon this link and many others that link the custom of singing babies to sleep as an ancient jewish superstition.. http://www.jeanniemusick.com/lilith-world/lilith-as-the-origin-of-the-lullaby/.

some of the research could probably be argued but looking at it from the wt perspective and mirroring their usual reasoning, i could imagine the following.... ... it appears that the word "lullaby" originates from the the hebrew "lilith-abi", which means "lilith be gone".

jewish mothers used to sing these songs to their babies in bed in hopes that they would be protected from this baby snatching demon called lilith.

StarTrekAngel

Reading around the subject of Lillith, the alledged, rebel first wife of Adam, I stumbled upon this link and many others that link the custom of singing babies to sleep as an ancient Jewish superstition.

http://www.jeanniemusick.com/lilith-world/lilith-as-the-origin-of-the-lullaby/

Some of the research could probably be argued but looking at it from the WT perspective and mirroring their usual reasoning, I could imagine the following...

... it appears that the word "lullaby" originates from the the hebrew "Lilith-abi", which means "Lilith be gone". Jewish mothers used to sing these songs to their babies in bed in hopes that they would be protected from this baby snatching demon called Lilith. Most likely the superstition originated as a way to protect infants for what we know today "crib death". As the legend goes, three angels were to protect children from Lilith. Jewish women habitually hanged three amulets on the walls near the baby's bed with the images of these angels. It would make sense to relate this amulets with modern day toys like crib mobiles and others that are usually hanged on top of cribs.

Faithfull followers of Jehovah should consider carefully whether their customs are in tune with bible teachings.

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Why did Jehovah allow Eve to become pregnant?

by moomanchu in

jehovah reminds me of married couples who are having problems who decide to .

have children to improve their lot.. obviuosly jehovah can prevent pregnancy.. 1 samuel 1:5,6 .

but to hannah he gave a double portion because he loved her, .

StarTrekAngel

That is exactly right. He let her be... unlike the watchtower, he would not just get rid of sinners and bad apples. He let them flourish. That is the opposite of what we get. We are not allowed to challenge them. They are afraid we are going to make sense.

So if God... if you believe in it, allowed the wicked world to flourish and ruin everything... who is the GB to quash those who choose to leave?

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henrietta m riley

by lostsheep82 in

ok, there's been tons on this i know.

here's what i found and spent some time researching some of the companies.

in my search i found in 2014 boeing, lockheed martin & northrop grumman which supports the military.

StarTrekAngel

Kramer.. if you read Franz book, there is a story there about a brother whom was forced to quit his driver job because part of his route included making deliveries to a military base

JefT... that the WT does not manage the fund directly doesn't mean they do not know what is in it.... again... what would they say if it was you at the receiving end of that account?

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henrietta m riley

by lostsheep82 in

ok, there's been tons on this i know.

here's what i found and spent some time researching some of the companies.

in my search i found in 2014 boeing, lockheed martin & northrop grumman which supports the military.

StarTrekAngel

I totally disagree with this being a weak argument in the apostate arsenal. For starters, most elders or JWs don't really understand the forces at play so they could hardly argue back. With that said and in the interest of staying on the honest side, I believe the argument over this is not so much about who owns the fund, but rather the argument is over what would happen to you if you were the owner of that fund. If you were making good money out of it and it showed, someone would have questioned your faith over the portfolio of organizations that are included.

If you can be scolded over delivering sodas to a military based, then sure as hell the WT can be questioned over this even if they only get the crumbs that fall from the table. This BS of the "fund owns itself" is the actual weak argument. I am sure the WT is well aware of what is in it but choose to look the other way because they are covered by a legal grey area.

To conclude, I remember some guy on youtube who clarified that the conditions from the WT for donated trusts, is that the WT would own the asset after the passing of the donor. Now I understand the financial world can be complicated to summarize in one post but I will forever refer back to my previous statement... if you can get scolded for delivering sodas to a military base.....

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How do you deal with the emotions of waking up? ---my ramble -----

by Fognomore in

good morning, .

i am just wondering how you have constructively worked through the emotions of waking up?

i am trying hard to be positive, and i know life is a gift.

StarTrekAngel

In my experience, reading about what others are going thru is real good therapy. Off course, every situation is different. I tried for years to wake up my wife and it was one of the hardest and most draining things I've ever done. Especially if your significant other is not opening up about their real fears, which in turn will have you attacking the wrong enemy.

Ultimately what worked for me was finding a group of other ex-JWs you can meet with. In my case they were all ex's from the same congregation. Being able to talk about it with them made it all more tolerable. Just like you, I had a sort of PTSD moment every time I heard my mother in law speaks of the meetings or assemblies. Meeting with the other group of evil apostates helped me vent out.

Ultimately my wife grew too curious of what we would talk about when we met. It was frustrating at first to notice that she was more receptive to the gossip I brought back from my get togethers than the stuff I wanted to talk to her about the org. But eventually I noticed that it worked so I was happy to have found a way to get these topics discussed without a fight. I guess since she knew this people more than I did, it helped validate their experiences.

Random Musing of an ex-JW Closing a Chapter

by StarTrekAngel in

as you all may recall, i made it public a few months back that i was moving away from my former neighboorhood.

well, we moved into our new place during the christmas/new year week, and it has been an awesome decision.

more on that later.naturally, after having hauled all our "material possessions" to our new place, we embarked on the process of giving our old home a touch of paint, etc.

StarTrekAngel

As you all may recall, I made it public a few months back that I was moving away from my former neighboorhood. Well, we moved into our new place during the Christmas/New Year week, and it has been an awesome decision. More on that later.

Naturally, after having hauled all our "material possessions" to our new place, we embarked on the process of giving our old home a touch of paint, etc. Getting it ready for listing. I am not sure how long I can hold on to two mortgages but the relief of being away from that place out weights the rest. This weekend was no exception. We spent most of Sunday cleaning and painting, and it was also an excellent opportunity to pick up my mother-in-law, whom despite living with us at our new place, insists on spending the weekends back with her congregation. We drop her off on Fridays and pick her up on Sundays. During the week she technically misses that meeting. I say "technically" because she does not go to the nearby KH. Instead of calling in to listen to the meeting, she puts on a dress, reads the information and even sings out loud in her room. Although I am inactive or spiritually weak, I am a baptized male, and she should be wearing something on her head... LOL. I won't hold her to it. Small price to pay :/

Going back to the work I am doing at my former home, my wife talked me out of doing some of the work myself and decided to hire someone. Mostly the outside paint. I was, however, cleaning out my shed when I realized it needed to be finished. It too needed paint on the still barewood frame. I took out my phone and wrote it down in the to-do for hire list. Then in a sudden flash I also changed my mind.

It was back in February of 2016 when I first started painting it. I had done a good 80% of it before that day. I was a fairly warm day but not bad in terms of what summers are like in South Texas. I had this uncomfortable dizziness most of the day, and I was blaming the warmth although I knew I had been in worse before. All was fine until I had to step on a ladder. The dizziness suddenly became more than a nuisance. Mind you I have been an installation technician for a good part of my career, and I've also climbed telecom towers up to 500 ft. Getting on a ladder 3 ft off the ground should not have been an issue. As a tech, I have climbed countless rooftops looking for towers and sometimes did so with one hand while holding heavy equipment on the other hand on 26ft ladders, sometimes fully extended.

All that to say that I was shocked at the way I was feeling and I got terrified. I ended up in the ER that night because the dizziness got worst and would not go away. My BP was 180/100. The ER Dr assumed he had just discovered a case of chronic high BP and gave me a pill that I now know could have killed me. It was fine the first night, but this was a weekend, and he directed me to take the same pill until I saw my Dr on Monday. I woke up the next night like at 4 am, shaking uncontrollably. Turns out I was overdosing on BP meds and dropping my BP to the ground. In an effort to not repeat things I had described before, this was the beginning of a long series of health issues that were not real. Although it felt very real, it was all brought by chronic stress and anxiety. Don't need to explain it here. Many of us have been there before.

Long story short, I stood there looking at my shed and thinking... this is one honey-do that I did not finish thanks to the Watchtower. That wasn't the only thing that got suspended due to the motions of going thru the process of coming out to the family about my awakening, but it sure was the first one. After all the hell I went thru and all the feelings and anxiety, fearing for my life and my future, what better way to begin closing that chapter of my life than finishing the shed. I scratched off the list and went at it myself.
When I finished, I took a step back and meditated for a second. Took a picture and decided I was going to share it here.

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Random Musings of an ex-JW Closing a Chapter

by StarTrekAngel in

as you all may recall, i made it public a few months back that i was moving away from my former neighboorhood.

well, we moved into our new place during the christmas/new year week, and it has been an awesome decision.

more on that later.naturally, after having hauled all our "material possessions" to our new place, we embarked on the process of giving our old home a touch of paint, etc.

StarTrekAngel

As you all may recall, I made it public a few months back that I was moving away from my former neighboorhood. Well, we moved into our new place during the Christmas/New Year week, and it has been an awesome decision. More on that later.

Naturally, after having hauled all our "material possessions" to our new place, we embarked on the process of giving our old home a touch of paint, etc. Getting it ready for listing. I am not sure how long I can hold on to two mortgages but the relief of being away from that place out weights the rest. This weekend was no exception. We spent most of Sunday cleaning and painting, and it was also an excellent opportunity to pick up my mother-in-law, whom despite living with us at our new place, insists on spending the weekends back with her congregation. We drop her off on Fridays and pick her up on Sundays. During the week she technically misses that meeting. I say "technically" because she does not go to the nearby KH. Instead of calling in to listen to the meeting, she puts on a dress, reads the information and even sings out loud in her room. Although I am inactive or spiritually weak, I am a baptized male, and she should be wearing something on her head... LOL. I won't hold her to it. Small price to pay :/

Going back to the work I am doing at my former home, my wife talked me out of doing some of the work myself and decided to hire someone. Mostly the outside paint. I was, however, cleaning out my shed when I realized it needed to be finished. It too needed paint on the still barewood frame. I took out my phone and wrote it down in the to-do for hire list. Then in a sudden flash I also changed my mind.

It was back in February of 2016 when I first started painting it. I had done a good 80% of it the week before. It was a fairly warm day but not bad in terms of what summers are like in South Texas. I had this uncomfortable dizziness most of the time, and I was blaming the warmth although I knew I had been in worse before. All was fine until I had to step on a ladder. The dizziness suddenly became more than a nuisance. Mind you I have been an installation technician for a good part of my career, and I've also climbed telecom towers up to 500 ft. Getting on a ladder 3 ft off the ground should not have been an issue. As a tech, I have climbed countless rooftops looking for towers and sometimes did so with one hand while holding heavy equipment on the other hand on 26ft ladders, sometimes fully extended.

All that to say that I was shocked at the way I was feeling and I got terrified. I ended up in the ER that night because the dizziness got worst and would not go away. My BP was 180/100. The ER Dr assumed he had just discovered a case of chronic high BP and gave me a pill that I now know could have killed me. It was fine the first night, but this was a weekend, and he directed me to take the same pill until I saw my Dr on Monday. I woke up the next night like at 4 am, shaking uncontrollably. Turns out I was overdosing on BP meds and dropping my BP to the ground. In an effort to not repeat things I had described before, this was the beginning of a long series of health issues that were not real. Although it felt very real, it was all brought by chronic stress and anxiety. Don't need to explain it here. Many of us have been there before.

Long story short, I stood there looking at my shed and thinking... this is one honey-do that I did not finish thanks to the Watchtower. That wasn't the only thing that got suspended due to the motions of going thru the process of coming out to the family about my awakening, but it sure was the first one. After all the hell I went thru and all the feelings and anxiety, fearing for my life and my future, what better way to begin closing that chapter of my life than finishing the shed. I scratched off the list and went at it myself.
When I finished, I took a step back and meditated for a second.

I believe that for me this seals it. I can't guarantee that these dark years will not happen ever again. Whether it is the same issue or a new one but at some point, you have to wrap it up like you would old bills for a service you no longer use. You archive them away and keep the notes of what you have learned.

I now live in a brand new, beautiful master planned subdivision with lakes, trails, and parks. I am closer to work and to everything that I need for daily living. I got yet another promotion, and quite a few of other toxic people at work are gone or retired. My kids can now mingle with other kids at the park and not have JW only friends. My wife and I are as happy as ever, and we have not attended a meeting in the years since.

I hereby declared that chapter of my life closed. May the new one be all that it appears to be for a long, long time.

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RBC... something I heard this weekend and I want to confirm

by StarTrekAngel in

i have not been around much or even cared to dig into jw land.

i been working on moving to a new place and leaving behind my old jw past, even the neighborhood where it all happened.. but something i heard this weekend had me thinking.

my mother in law has a small, run down wooden home near the kh where we used to attend.

StarTrekAngel

I have not been around much or even cared to dig into JW land. I been working on moving to a new place and leaving behind my old JW past, even the neighborhood where it all happened.

But something I heard this weekend had me thinking. My mother in law has a small, run down wooden home near the KH where we used to attend. She gave it away to her son and he told her that he was going to offer it up for the RBC since there will be a KH remodel/repair in the area in the near future. This way they could choose to house volunteers from other states or areas. This weekend she told us that he was told that starting (I don't know exactly when) the RBC requires that the residence being offered up be equipped to be "comfortable" for the visiting volunteer. This included (as a demand) that the bed be fitted with brand new sheets and towels, etc.

I thought that may be she misinterpreted whatever was said but she also added that a number of other sisters whom had rooms to spare in better looking homes, had to step back because they felt their places were not up to the new standard. She also added that now the RBC requires JWs to donate the food that will be served to the volunteers. Last time I participated on a remodeling there was a trailer home with a huge kitchen and I don't recall anyone having to donate food

Has anyone heard about this?

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Do you remember when you realised it was all bulls£&t

by moley in

i remember when my faith left me.

i used to enjoy meetings and used to participate but then all of a sudden i was finding myself bored shitless at meetings.

i was taken off the theocratic ministry school for not attending when i was due to give a talk and not long after did something naughty and got disfellowshiped.

StarTrekAngel

We all must be ready to obey.... whether it makes sense or not...

Those famous words... I was there on Sunday WT study when they were first uttered from the platform...

As hard as I think and considering I was already having doubts (Serious doubts) by then.... I can't think of any other single statement or event that had as profound of an effect as this did... Is like I saw my life flash before my eyes in this huge aha! moment. This must have been the only time as a JW where I truly had a "deer in the headlights" look (while life was flashing in front of me)...