StarTrekAngel
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New article on NBC regarding cults
by StarTrekAngel inhttp://www.today.com/video/when-a-little-known-faith-divides-families-626225731540
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StarTrekAngel
LOL. The above picture was posted in JW-Archive.
I assumed more people are familiar with the site. Most posts are signed by someone calling him/her self "The Librarian"
My first thought when I saw the caption on the picture is that of an elder grooming a kid for sex. Don't want you to think I am a perv but visitors at JW-Archive are very well aware of the sexual abuse cases in the org.
This gives anyone fire to troll the comment section of the post. Or so I feel.
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StarTrekAngel
It may not be anything at all, but an elder is making friendship with a 4 year old boy. You know this is going to attract attention to their site.
Again, may not mean anything bad. Personally I would not let anyone, let alone an elder, get this close to my kids. You know though that apostates lurking around JW-Archive will feed on this.
If I would run that site I would not have posted this picture.
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The Pope is more like Christ than the GB
by StarTrekAngel injust a quick line to share something i heard in the news yesterday.
while we may disagree with many of the doctrines of the catholic church, there was something interesting.. the subject was regarding the view by the church on abortion and contraceptives.
while the pope insisted in the absolute and immutable evil of terminating a pregnancy, he said that considering the risks presented by the zika virus, women in south america should consider contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies that could end up in a child born with defects.
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StarTrekAngel
Blondie,
How do you come up with these things so quickly? Either you have a lot of time in your hands or a search engine that would make google jealous.
If you could find something for me, I am looking for a Kingdom Ministry. There was an article titled in the form of a question. It read something like "Did JWs really predict the end in 1975?" or something close to that. I remember clearly that the article did not really answered the question but rather diverted attention to the "good deeds" that JWs do. Was probably the first spark of doubt in me.
Thanks!
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So Proud of Pops
by brandnew inok so a car pulls up to the house and 3 eldurrs from my dads congo come up.
they come in and have thee nerve to ask me to step out so they can speak to pops!!!!
this is the good part.....pops says...and i quote " whatever needs to be said..can be said in front of my son".
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StarTrekAngel
Have not donated a penny in close to two years now. Last assembly there were 1200 present, cost as announced - $8500. Funds donated with 1 hour to finish, $850. -
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The Pope is more like Christ than the GB
by StarTrekAngel injust a quick line to share something i heard in the news yesterday.
while we may disagree with many of the doctrines of the catholic church, there was something interesting.. the subject was regarding the view by the church on abortion and contraceptives.
while the pope insisted in the absolute and immutable evil of terminating a pregnancy, he said that considering the risks presented by the zika virus, women in south america should consider contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies that could end up in a child born with defects.
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StarTrekAngel
Just a quick line to share something I heard in the news yesterday. While we may disagree with many of the doctrines of the catholic church, there was something interesting.
The subject was regarding the view by the church on abortion and contraceptives. While the pope insisted in the absolute and immutable evil of terminating a pregnancy, he said that considering the risks presented by the zika virus, women in South America should consider contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies that could end up in a child born with defects. He said that while the church is firm in their view of contraceptives, they would understand that just like Jesus, the lesser evil should apply and women should not feel that God would consider their action as a violation of the faith.
I don't know about you but it seems to me that the Pope considers "love trumps law" in at least this case.
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Another one bites the dust...
by StarTrekAngel inso despite glimpses of hope here and there, the wife is just not seeing this cult for what it is.. so who is the one the bit the dust?
i've not been feeling so well lately.
a bit of lightheadedness.
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StarTrekAngel
Thanks everyone for your kind words. I am going to retreat for a bit, try to get better. I am definitely done with meetings, at least for the time being. At the end I do know (after 17 years of marriage) that the thing that probably hurts her more is the fact that we are not going to be together at the meeting (keeping company). Depending on how I feel I may drop in every now and then but attitude (and attire) will be completely different. I also have to prepare to deal with the fallout with the rest of her family. I do not have any relatives in the US myself and my family are not JWs but most of hers is. -
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The fallacy of the faithful and discrete slave
by StarTrekAngel inas many of us that understand the parable to be just that, a parable, is there a way that a jw can actually question it, even if so is done under the idea that is actually a prophecy?.
we are all very familiar with deuteronomy 18:22 and the way to identify a true prophet.
is there a way you could possibly identify a bad prophet as soon as the prophecy is revealed?
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StarTrekAngel
As many of us that understand the parable to be just that, a parable, is there a way that a JW can actually question it, even if so is done under the idea that is actually a prophecy?
We are all very familiar with Deuteronomy 18:22 and the way to identify a true prophet. Is there a way you could possibly identify a bad prophet as soon as the prophecy is revealed? Not having to wail until the said fulfillment? Why would you want to do that?
Well simply put, we have come to experience that in the modern world, "prophets" have become pretty sneaky. They lay the prophecy in front of you, just one, may be two of them, and then they spent the rest of their time looking for a reason to kick the can down the road and claim the prophecy still valid. Overlapping generations is one of the first things that come to mind, but I am sure we can find more.
Deuteronomy 18:22 is one of the most regurgitated bible verses used to supposedly identify true prophets. Another paragraphs that we rarely use as JWs (it's an inconvenient one) is the one Deuteronomy 13:1. Let me paste it here for your convenience
If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the LORD your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you.
Not to spend much time trying to make sense of what it really meant to be "tested" by the Lord (and then have you kill the poor peasant God used for the test) but we can take a few things away from Deut 13:1. One of them is that, contrary to what the WT wants us to believe, we do not have to believe the prophet when his prophecy does not make sense. Even when he has signs and miracles but he directs us to do something that is contrary to God's will, then we must question it.
So how does this apply to the "prophecy" of the FD&S? For starters, JWs did no pronounce the "prophecy", they merely interpreted as a prophecy. Except they made one mistake.
Even if you go as far as considering this a prophecy, it helps to wonder...if the bible is a letter that God wrote to his people in which he details his wishes and rules for a better life, what would he make it so that we could not understand it? I mean, sure the language was different but I would think that such powerful God would find a way to make sure the message remains intact.
If we can not understand the letter without the FD&S, why is there so much room left to identify said slave? If Moises was the only one who could communicate with God and get his word, what would happened if in a flash of "new light" the Israelites would have concluded that Moises wasn't the one sent forth after all? In other words, how can ever know who the true F&DS is if his identity is within the letter that we can not understand without the FD&S? Furthermore, if the identity of the slave is open to change, what is to be said about the "truths" he fed us in the past? How can we be at the edge of the great tribulation without having firmly identified the one who is supposed to provide the guide from God? Should have not he been identified first and then began to serve spiritual food?
You see, this idea of the slave providing food at the proper time, even though the identity of the slave could change is not compatible with God tradition of giving accurate forewarning and information. Unless I am missing something, God would have not driven the Israelites to the edge of the Red Sea and then say... here is your leader, listen to him... oh wait no, is that other guy over there... oh may be it is both of them as a "class". You get the picture, just do whatever they say but hurry because the Egyptians are on your heels... bye!
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Another one bites the dust...
by StarTrekAngel inso despite glimpses of hope here and there, the wife is just not seeing this cult for what it is.. so who is the one the bit the dust?
i've not been feeling so well lately.
a bit of lightheadedness.
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StarTrekAngel
I told her that at some point blondie. All I got was silence.
